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Old Wed, Apr-18-18, 18:13
Emmie618 Emmie618 is offline
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It seems to me that many of the recipients who depend on the various food panties (my town as several church-related ones as well as secular ones) would feel deprived if their children could not have cookies and brownies in the name of 'we care about your health.' Many of these families cannot afford to provide their children with things other children have, so limiting their food to what we consider 'healthy' would further penalize these people trying to survive with minimal resources.

I am totally in favor of healthy eating--but it should be the choice of the individual. In my own church's food pantry, people are not 'assigned' food but are free to make their choice from what's available. To fail to have SAD food available and restrict their choices to our opinion of what they should eat would be, in my opinion, both patronizing and uncharitable.
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Old Thu, Apr-19-18, 07:37
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This article appeared in my local paper this morning. It seems relevant to the issue being discussed. I have seen people lined up for the van.

http://www.reformer.com/stories/rai...ievango,537482?
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Old Thu, Apr-19-18, 08:09
LebenRedux LebenRedux is offline
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Great ideas, SilverEm, Bonnie & Meme! Here's to the horses who choose to plant the seeds, eat the roasts, and drink the water we lead them to, however rare they are.
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Old Thu, Apr-19-18, 08:20
LebenRedux LebenRedux is offline
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It seems to me that many of the recipients who depend on the various food panties (my town as several church-related ones as well as secular ones) would feel deprived if their children could not have cookies and brownies in the name of 'we care about your health.' Many of these families cannot afford to provide their children with things other children have, so limiting their food to what we consider 'healthy' would further penalize these people trying to survive with minimal resources.

I am totally in favor of healthy eating--but it should be the choice of the individual. In my own church's food pantry, people are not 'assigned' food but are free to make their choice from what's available. To fail to have SAD food available and restrict their choices to our opinion of what they should eat would be, in my opinion, both patronizing and uncharitable.


I completely agree that an occasional treat isn't at all out of line (for anyone)but one of the real joys of life. And I did not mean for the charitable organization to assume the role of food-police. I only hope they can achieve a healthier BALANCE in the items they provide, instead of 90% refined carbs that are useless for growing bodies...
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Old Thu, Apr-19-18, 09:06
Bonnie OFS Bonnie OFS is offline
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I only hope they can achieve a healthier BALANCE in the items they provide, instead of 90% refined carbs that are useless for growing bodies...


Being a recipient of "free" food, I can agree. But also want to say I wish there were an different ways to help the poor. We accept the food not because we'll go hungry without it, but because it frees up cash for other things, like gas for the the car, electricity, cat food, snow plowing in the winter, etc.

In our rural area we have a program called Rural Resources that helps a lot - especially senior citizens. They help pay propane & electric bills, give vouchers for the farmer's market and low cost meals at a few restaurants.

Food stamps are more helpful than the food handouts - I can choose healthy food. But the government thinks those of us who receive the benefit are chiselers - the amount we get keeps going down.
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Old Thu, Apr-19-18, 13:29
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We won't solve this problem until we solve the problem in our entire culture. Crappy food is cheap, Healthy food is costly. A church I belonged to would specifically ask for donations of canned meats like canned ham, fish, chicken, etc., but those were rarities. Because I can go buy 6 packages of ramen for a dollar and drop them into the food bank bin, or I can spend $6 to buy one canned ham. What am I likely to do?

One church I've been a part of had garden plots, and volunteers prepared, tended and harvested and all of the produce went to the pantry. Another option for you.
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Old Thu, Apr-19-18, 21:30
M Levac M Levac is offline
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From personal experience, when you're hungry, you just wanna eat, all other considerations go out the door. Is it good for me, is it actually food, is it gonna make me fat and sick? Don't care, I'm hungry, I wanna eat. The more hungry we are, the lower our standards get.

Also from personal experience, food quality varies according to immediacy. For example, where a hot meal is served, it tends to include more perishables like fresh meat and bread. Where a food bag is given, it tends to include more preserves like canned meat and biscuits. Fresh food has a shorter shelf life than preserves. It's just logistics.

Meat is always more nutritious than any other food, regardless of whether it's fresh or not. So, for somebody who gives food, if he wants to give the most nutritious preserves, he should prefer canned meat rather than biscuits. It may sound like I'm pushing my own personal preference here but it's just a matter of fact of nutrition, not preference. Also, since it's very obvious that the bulk of food given is mostly carbs, giving canned meat (or fresh meat for soup kitchens) just makes sense for somebody who wants to do the most good.

An anecdote. A while ago, we had an after-game dinner at the golf club. It was prepared by a caterer, it came in large aluminium platters. Pasta and meat and a few other things. The meat platter (there was only one, duh) went in the first few minutes, there was still two platters of pasta left at the end. When food is free and when there's a choice, people will choose the best first. Pasta, everybody can make it at home, who the hell wants to eat that when there's meat at a free dinner after a game?
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Old Thu, Apr-19-18, 22:11
Bonnie OFS Bonnie OFS is offline
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Pasta, everybody can make it at home, who the hell wants to eat that when there's meat at a free dinner after a game?


Husband used to work at a retreat center & we lived on the grounds (miserable year). Meals were served buffet style & there were 2 meats at dinner - beef & chicken. The people were supposed to take just 1 meat, but many people would take a full serving of each. The cook grumbled & complained about it every weekend. Besides not knowing for sure how much food to make, it must have cut into the profits, too.

Since I hung out in the kitchen I saw how the food was prepared - I would have gone for both the meats & left the overcooked canned vegetables.
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