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Old Sat, Jun-28-03, 16:54
ScienceGuy ScienceGuy is offline
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<p>Dear readers,<br>
I'm not really going to attack a low carb diet, although it is obvious that a
diet, rich in fresh fruits and vegetables, is essential to a healthy lifestyle.
Nature and science tell us that.<br>
My contribution to this forum is not of how much, but rather of which kind of
carbs to consume:<br>
Of the about 200 monosaccharides, or glyconutrients(carbohydrates, or simple
sugars) found in nature, scientists have identified 8 as the components (shapes)
of letters that make up the cellular alphabet. Cells communicate by using these
8 known monosaccharides to shape letters and words. <a href="http://www.healthandlongevity.info/HarpersBiochemistry.pdf">Harper's
Biochemistry, 24th/25th edition, chapter 56</a> and
<a href="http://content.karger.com/ProdukteDB/produkte.asp?Aktion=showproducts&ProduktNr=223491&searchWhat=books&ContentOnly=false">
Acta Anatomica, 161/1 - April 1998</a>.</p>
<p>These carbs, or glyconutrients are ESSENTIAL for cell to cell communication
and are involved in every aspect of living, incl. recognizing and eliminating
diseases, viruses, toxins/free radicals and yes, excess fat. Furthermore, these
nutrients are highly lacking in today's common diet.</p>
<p>The discovery of these &quot;sugars&quot; and their function is what has every major
medical research facility, the drug companies and most medical science
writers/editors on their toes these years. IT IS INCREDIBLY
EXITING!</p>
<p>You all owe it to yourselves to look very closely at the discovery of these
sugars, especially if you or a loved one suffers from a disease condition!</p>
<p>And no, we are NOT talking about the white granulated table sugar here!</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Best of wishes of a healthy future for you all.</p>
<p>Sincerely,</p>
<p>Brian, California </p>

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Old Sat, Jun-28-03, 17:45
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Old Sat, Jun-28-03, 22:24
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Dear ScienceGuy,
Say what?
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Old Tue, Jul-08-03, 12:56
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Originally Posted by ScienceGuy
<p>Dear readers,<br>
I'm not really going to attack a low carb diet, although it is obvious that a
diet, rich in fresh fruits and vegetables, is essential to a healthy lifestyle.
Nature and science tell us that.<br>
My contribution to this forum is not of how much, but rather of which kind of
carbs to consume:<br>
Of the about 200 monosaccharides, or glyconutrients(carbohydrates, or simple
sugars) found in nature, scientists have identified 8 as the components (shapes)
of letters that make up the cellular alphabet. Cells communicate by using these
8 known monosaccharides to shape letters and words. <a href="http://www.healthandlongevity.info/HarpersBiochemistry.pdf">Harper's
Biochemistry, 24th/25th edition, chapter 56</a> and
<p>These carbs, or glyconutrients are ESSENTIAL for cell to cell communication
and are involved in every aspect of living, incl. recognizing and eliminating
diseases, viruses, toxins/free radicals and yes, excess fat. Furthermore, these
nutrients are highly lacking in today's common diet.</p>
<p>The discovery of these &quot;sugars&quot; and their function is what has every major
medical research facility, the drug companies and most medical science
writers/editors on their toes these years. IT IS INCREDIBLY
EXITING!</p>
<p>You all owe it to yourselves to look very closely at the discovery of these
sugars, especially if you or a loved one suffers from a disease condition!</p>
<p>And no, we are NOT talking about the white granulated table sugar here!</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Best of wishes of a healthy future for you all.</p>
<p>Sincerely,</p>
<p>Brian, California </p>


Waaaaay to deep for my little brain, but very impressive! Are you the same "ScienceGuy" who used to play Atomic Poker? Just curious.
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Old Wed, Jul-09-03, 08:19
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Explanation of ScienceGuy's deliberately obscure post:
Some proteins in your body have "decorations" of long chains of polysaccharides. Polysaccharide is just a fancy way of describing a molecule made up of a bunch of sugar molecules like glucose or fructose, linked together. These sugar chains are essential in allowing your body to recognize, sort, and otherwise deal with these proteins. Think of them as "tags" on the proteins. They're very important.

HOWEVER.

Key point that ScienceGuy left out: the body is perfectly capable of MAKING most of the sugars he's talking about FROM fats and amino acids. In other words, if your body needs sugars and they're not available, it gets busy with the organic chemistry. So while adding the rarer sugars like mannose and xylose to your diet may help, it's not absolutely necessary. Possibly after more research has been done, it may be worth it to add the foods high in the rarer sugars during specific episodes (mannose during UTIs, for example. It's found in aloe vera) or while in maintenance. Strawberries, for example, are high in xylose. If this becomes the Next Big Thing, there will be dietary guides all over the place, and it'll be easy to pick the low-glycemic-index stuff.

But beware the pseudoscientific antilowcarbing! He gave himself away in the first sentence.
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Old Fri, Jul-11-03, 10:27
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"although it is obvious that a
diet, rich in fresh fruits and vegetables, is essential to a healthy lifestyle"

Actually, you've just described my Atkins' lifestyle.

Thanks Scienceguy.
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Old Fri, Jul-11-03, 10:31
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if ANY carb is so good for us then why did our ancestors aka the cavemen live such long lives?? Nowadays people are luck enough to see their late 60's or 70's??? That's only cuz of all the extra carbs added to our foods....
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Old Fri, Jul-11-03, 11:52
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I'm confused...Atkins promotes a diet full of fruits and vegetables...?? Is it just me?
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Old Fri, Jul-11-03, 12:23
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Bill Nye???
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Old Fri, Jul-11-03, 12:36
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if ANY carb is so good for us then why did our ancestors aka the cavemen live such long lives?? Nowadays people are luck enough to see their late 60's or 70's??? That's only cuz of all the extra carbs added to our foods....



I'd always thought prehistoric humans had a lifespan of only 25 years or so. Ive never before run into the idea they exceeded current lifespans. Do you have any sites you can link that support this?

Thanks.
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Old Fri, Jul-11-03, 12:55
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I'd always thought prehistoric humans had a lifespan of only 25 years or so. Ive never before run into the idea they exceeded current lifespans. Do you have any sites you can link that support this?

Thanks.



There is no support. Prehistoric humans did not live longer than present day humans. We have the longest average lifespans in all of human history. We have such long lives because of medicine, medical advancements, hygene, cleaner water, etc.

Average Prehistoric humans probably were not on average as fat as the average human is now days.
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Old Fri, Jul-11-03, 19:39
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Lola

Are you saying Atkins doesn't promote fruit & vegetables? He has many listed in his books. Fruits and some vegetables are a no-no during induction but more veggies are added during OWL, along with some fruits. Have you read any of the Atkins' books? I don't state that the diet is only fruits & vegetables. I eat meat 3 times a day also.
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I'm confused...Atkins promotes a diet full of fruits and vegetables...?? Is it just me?


No, it's not just you. Other than berries, I don't see where fruits are "promoted" on Atkins. And as far as veggies go, I ate 20 times more veggies before I started Atkins. I love veggies and miss all the different varieties. So if you're confused, LoLa, then so am I!
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Originally Posted by GorbTech
There is no support. Prehistoric humans did not live longer than present day humans. We have the longest average lifespans in all of human history. We have such long lives because of medicine, medical advancements, hygene, cleaner water, etc.

Average Prehistoric humans probably were not on average as fat as the average human is now days.


Ever heard of Methusala???
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