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Old Thu, Jan-03-19, 13:03
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You are welcome, Meme and Happy New Year to you.
The link in post #1091 goes to a one-hour talk for me.
Are you a member and logged-in?

You can join for the DietDoctor the 30 day free trial, decide to keep it or not, it is easy to cancel...and restart as often as you want.


That's what I thought, that I have to join and sign in.
I might someday
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Old Thu, Jan-10-19, 12:30
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https://www.sciencedaily.com/releas...90108125526.htm

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Intermittent fasting could improve obese women's health

Research carried out at the University of Adelaide shows that obese women lost more weight and improved their health by fasting intermittently while following a strictly controlled diet.

The study, published in the journal Obesity, involved a sample of 88 women following carefully controlled diets over 10 weeks.

"Continuously restricting their diet is the main way that obese women try to tackle their weight," says Dr Amy Hutchison, lead author from the University of Adelaide and the South Australian Health and Medical Research Institute (SAHMRI).

"Unfortunately, studies have shown that long-term adherence to a restricted diet is very challenging for people to follow, so this study looked at the impact of intermittent fasting on weight loss.

"Obese women who followed a diet in which they ate 70% of their required energy intake and fasted intermittently lost the most weight.

"Other women in the study who either fasted intermittently without reducing their food intake, who reduced their food intake but did not fast, or did not restrict their diet at all, were not as successful in losing weight," says Dr Hutchison.

The study also checked the effect of the different diets on the women's health. Women who fasted intermittently as well as restricting their food improved their health more than those who only restricted their diet or only fasted intermittently.

"By adhering to a strict pattern of intermittent fasting and dieting, obese women have achieved significant weight loss and improvements in their health such as decreased markers for heart disease," says Dr Hutchison.

Participants who fasted intermittently ate breakfast and then refrained from eating for 24 hours followed by 24 hours of eating. The following day they fasted again.

All participants of the study were women who were overweight or obese with a Body Mass Index (BMI) in the 25-40 range and aged between 35 and 70 years. They followed a typical Australian diet consisting of 35% fat, 15% protein and 50% carbohydrate.

"The most successful participants lost approximately 0.5 to 1 kg per week for each week of the study," says Dr Hutchison.

"This study is adding to evidence that intermittent fasting, at least in the short term, may provide better outcomes than daily continuous diet restriction for health and potentially for weight loss," says Associate Professor Leonie Heilbronn from the University of Adelaide and SAHMRI.

"While the study confirms that intermittent fasting is more effective than continuous diet restriction, the underlying signal for limiting people's appetite, which could hold the key to triggering effective weight loss, requires further research."

New trials now being undertaken will examine the effectiveness of long-term fasting on both men and women.

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Old Thu, Jan-10-19, 13:48
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"While the study confirms that intermittent fasting is more effective than continuous diet restriction, the underlying signal for limiting people's appetite, which could hold the key to triggering effective weight loss, requires further research."


To save the University research costs, the underlying signal for limiting appetite is eating very LC foods. Direct deposit my grant fee

That's a good fasting pattern though one caution: IDM has seen a downside for some with OMAD. Moderator response just now is "Dr. Fung and Megan Ramos have years of experience working with thousands of patients in their clinic. Their observation has been that OMAD is what causes the body to slow BMR and that optimal weight loss comes from a 3x36-42 or a 3 day a week variation. They've found little added benefit going beyond the 3 days. However, everyone is different and you have to find what works best for you. More isn't always better. Some people are more insulin resistant and need to do longer fasts to get the insulin levels down. Others think more is better and do them because if they lose on 3 days, they'll lose more on 5." I have definitely found (and sadly only recently) that the 42 hour fast alternate days is better..for now...your body can adjust to any fasting pattern and it becomes less effective.
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Old Sat, Jan-12-19, 04:58
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If you get the IDM newsletter you should have this invite already, but interesting new Docu-Series in which both Jason and Megan are interviewed. Starts Jan 15th.
https://forum.lowcarber.org/showthread.php?t=481843

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Old Sat, Jan-12-19, 05:24
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To save the University research costs, the underlying signal for limiting appetite is eating very LC foods. Direct deposit my grant fee

That's a good fasting pattern though one caution: IDM has seen a downside for some with OMAD. Moderator response just now is "Dr. Fung and Megan Ramos have years of experience working with thousands of patients in their clinic. Their observation has been that OMAD is what causes the body to slow BMR and that optimal weight loss comes from a 3x36-42 or a 3 day a week variation. They've found little added benefit going beyond the 3 days. However, everyone is different and you have to find what works best for you. More isn't always better. Some people are more insulin resistant and need to do longer fasts to get the insulin levels down. Others think more is better and do them because if they lose on 3 days, they'll lose more on 5." I have definitely found (and sadly only recently) that the 42 hour fast alternate days is better..for now...your body can adjust to any fasting pattern and it becomes less effective.
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Janet - with respect to your last sentence about fasting becoming less effective, is that concerning weight loss, or the overall health benefits of fasting (hormonal, etc.)?
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Old Sat, Jan-12-19, 06:02
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Janet - with respect to your last sentence about fasting becoming less effective, is that concerning weight loss, or the overall health benefits of fasting (hormonal, etc.)?


Weight loss. It would be hard to track impact on hormones, and especially atutophagy, short term. Members are always asking how long to fast for autophagy benefits, will coffee stop autophagy, etc. etc. so the moderators now have a file and stock answer...no one knows! I went off the LC ranch this holiday season and 42 hour fasts are working well to shed the pounds...until it stops. But for now, I see a benefit to 42 hours for weight loss, and with four years of fasting experience and a clean VLC diet, I have zero hunger. Sort of amazing to compare how I felt in 2014 first starting IF.
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Old Sat, Jan-12-19, 07:59
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Old Sat, Jan-12-19, 08:03
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Weight loss. It would be hard to track impact on hormones, and especially atutophagy, short term. Members are always asking how long to fast for autophagy benefits, will coffee stop autophagy, etc. etc. so the moderators now have a file and stock answer...no one knows! I went off the LC ranch this holiday season and 42 hour fasts are working well to shed the pounds...until it stops. But for now, I see a benefit to 42 hours for weight loss, and with four years of fasting experience and a clean VLC diet, I have zero hunger. Sort of amazing to compare how I felt in 2014 first starting IF.
Thank you.

Dr Rhonda Patrick Q&A video interview with Zero talks about coffee and fasting.

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Old Sat, Jan-12-19, 10:52
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Thank you.

Dr Rhonda Patrick Q&A video interview with Zero talks about coffee and fasting.


Excellent interview with Rhonda. Very informative, as she usually is, and is on point with the topics being discussed in this thread. Thanks for the link!
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Old Sat, Jan-12-19, 13:08
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Just came off a 3 day fast to prepare for my VLC challenge and it was surprisingly easy.

Then again, I had a helluva autoimmune flare from stress and bad eating habits, so I was really motivated.

Feeling better, might even say much better, and now going to my new regimen of meat & seafood, eggs, cheese (goat and/or pastured ideally), avocados, pickles, and olives.

NO chicken: they are fed corn and I believe I might have a corn allergy or intolerance: it's just not recommended for autoimmune according to an arthritis book I am also implementing. I did a review of it on the Media section.
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Old Sat, Jan-12-19, 14:25
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Did a 48 (ended Wed 1/9) after a couple false starts. Felt great - no hunger.
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Old Sun, Jan-13-19, 05:24
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Isnít it amazing??? When I think back to having oatmeal or a plain bagel for breakfast and feeling starving 3 hours later....Waking up after 36 hours and wanting only a coffee is mind-boggling at times. 48 would also be easily doable too but I wanted to feast on protein every other day. Trying to follow Phinney and Fung at same time, which would be a nice alliterative name for "my planĒ, the Phinney Fung Fast

Were Bear, looks like a good Naiman plan.
The Fung Fat Fast is bacon & eggs, avocado and olives. There are a few more details about it on FB, and Megan talks about it on recent LCMD podcast, but that was magical for me too. So many ways to fast or "near fast" with food, flexibility is a big benefit.

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Old Sun, Jan-13-19, 07:40
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Isnít it amazing??? When I think back to having oatmeal or a plain bagel for breakfast and feeling starving 3 hours later....Waking up after 36 hours and wanting only a coffee is mind-boggling at times.


And that near-coma after lunch, which was the first thing to go when I started Atkins.

When I started tracking I realized just how far Iíd slipped, and how to get back on board quickly. I cut out the worst offenders and was doing Atkins Induction for a week to ready myself for the 3 day fast, which went very well. The night of the third I was looking forward to my egg & sausage, tho

Yesterday was my first Keto day (used to be VLC, as I remember) and that was excellent too. It seems like a restricted list of what to eat, but if it keeps me feeling better ó and it already has ó AND kills cravings as so many report, then it is simply a list of my Favorite Foods and I get to eat them all the time
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Old Sun, Jan-13-19, 08:16
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Hi!
**Please skip to the last paragraph if youíre like my husband, the type of person who wants someone to get to the point quickly. 😂

So, Iíve been working on building up my fasting muscles and have stepped it up since September. Iíve mostly stuck to a 2 or 3 hour eating window during the weekdays and an 8 hour window during the weekend or when my husband had the day off. They have weird holidays here. We had Monday off a while back for exercise day. 😆 Anyway, Iíve not been on a good schedule since maybe December 21 or so, but Iíve tried to fast when I can. My husband and kids had 10 days off, so...it was a challenge. Iím wanting to do longer fasts of 36-42 hours, but eating with my family seems pretty important. We eat together every night. Iím trying to see if thereís a way that would work with my family. Maybe just have tea and sit at the table.... 🤔 Explain the benefits of fasting as an adult? But I eat approximately 9 meals a week, I guess. I know Dr. Fung recommends alternate day fasting, but I find this works for my schedule and it seems the weekend resets me or something.

But I have a question. I went for my monthly thyroid appointment and my doctor told me she wants to do comprehensive blood work next month when I go back. Sheís supposed to be testing my thyroid levels every 6 months but I know itís been close to two years. She will check my cholesterol, which has always been fantastic. Sheíll do their equivalent of the A1C, which is a test that measures blood sugar control over the past 6 weeks, I think. It was 4.9 and then 5.0 the next time. So, Iím not worried, necessarily. I had mentioned that I would like a glucose meter and was hoping she would prescribe one for me, basically making it free for me. She told me that while she understood why I would want to do that, she believes it would stress me out. That even a little bit of stress or lack of sleep raises the blood sugar levels. She thinks Iím making great progress, more than 50 pounds in the past two years, 30 of that had been since September. So, the fasting has really helped me. But now I regret asking about the meter because that reminded her that we havenít checked my blood in a while.

So...Iím afraid of freaking her out with crazy ketone levels (even though she is part of a rare group of doctors here who endorse a low carb (and lowish fat if you have excess weight to lose) diet. Will fasting falsely elevate my cholesterol? Iím scared of giving off a strange number that I know is completely harmless, but out of the normal range or much higher than previous blood work. If that happens, I promise you, sheíll be making an appointment for a heart specialist or something like that. And here, you canít say no to the doctor. You canít, and it would take ages for me to explain the cultural reasons why this is true. When I went in for this appointment, I was in the middle of my monthly migraine. I get one almost every month when I ovulate and have off and on for decades. I asked her for something stronger than Tylenol and she gave me something (not a narcotic because they save them for terminally ill people onlyó-something, something sodium) but she told me she will be referring me to a neurologist. Thatís just how it is here. 🙄 The headache medicine worked so well that I canít complain, if it guarantees that I can get relief from the pain.

So, I guess the point of my babbling post is to ask what I can do to make sure I donít set off any false alarms in my blood work. 😂

Editing to add the medication I was prescribed.
http://www.rad-ar.or.jp/siori/english/print.cgi?n=1944

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Old Sun, Jan-13-19, 09:22
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Have you seen any of Dave Feldman's stuff? You might want to just not do any fasting for the three or four days leading into the cholesterol test. Fasting does tend to raise cholesterol, but it's a temporary thing.

If you're brave, you might try eating a little extra, especially fat, leading into the test, again based on Feldman's observations.

I think in the states you can get your cholesterol checked at a lab, and your doctor never really needs to know the number--probably helpful if the number that shows up in the doctor's office matters for insurance purposes etc.
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