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Old Sat, Apr-25-15, 16:57
MuddyGurl MuddyGurl is offline
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I've been posting about my own health issued with one wonky kidney, and trying to lose weight with nutritional ketosis.

I am learning as fast as I can, and because I read that there are 20+ M undiagnosed with CKD (Chronic Kidney Disease) in USA, AND 66M pre diabetics also, in addition to several million diabetics, and 350K+ on dialysis or with ESRD, 60,000 new a year, and/or waiting a transplant that may not happen.

I have seen obesity, diabetes circle each other, add a high carb, too much high protein diet and we are straining our kidneys, and this is a silent disease. Over in Myfitnesspal.com willing LC dieters are chowing down ad libitum on ONLY fatty meats as a monthly challenge..all ages, all medical conditions.. this is NOT smart…we are all very different. too much of a good thing is still bad, especially for the obese, on meds, pre & diabetic, with other unknown issues.

Fear not- MOST CKD stage 3 will not progress to ESRD, but thin and fat are equally able to get there. We all drop kidney function as we age, -1 pt from age 40 on, so filtering slows until death. {learn about Creatinine- a waste dumped from the kidneys, and eGFR- your filtration rate that declines with age & disease.

This is about more than "me"….from the wisdom of almost 66 years I see youth throwing away their health with aggressive, crazy diets, and misunderstood nutrition; plus bodybuilders, and the overweight millions anxious to improve, and willing to take risks.

There is a GLOBAL plan to help prevent CKD, but the average Joe & Joline and MD never heard of it. Even KDGIO conventional ideas on higher carb, etc will help millions who are NOT sick, or failing.[KDIGO -Kidney Disease: Improving Global Outcomes] http://kdigo.org/home/

Please download all their materials if you are interested in knowing more.
The NKF-https://www.kidney.org has a hotline- free call to ask questions, but they are also tied to USDA higher carbs.
http://www.kidneyfund.org
https://www.aakp.org American Kidney patient

March was K.E.E.P.- CKD AWARENESS MONTH
APRIL IS DONTATE LIFE MONTH
WWW.DAVITA.COM a diet site, mostly USDA higher carb
but its of great resources
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Since getting help from the USDA medical mindset of "accept drugs, you can't help yourself" I am deciding to study diet, and see if I can at least stall the kidney drop. What the traditional docs don't teach lacking nutrition training, is that EVERYTHING you can do to slow the progress adds up.

We are more aware of saving Energy in our home by 5%, 10% -caulk the windows, solar panels, light bulbs, etc..but know nothing of the benefit of changes WE CAN DO daily to maintain our kidneys.

++++++++++++++++ here is just one article++++++

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news...-dialysis_N.htm

MANY SKIP PREVENTIVE CARE

The End Stage Renal Disease Program doesn't address prevention, a major focus of the health care debate.

Barry Straube, chief medical officer at the federal Centers for Medicare & Medcaid Services, says 25 million Americans have kidney disease, but Medicare benefits don't kick in until patients are at the most advanced stage. Many patients with earlier-stage kidney disease aren't treated for high blood pressure or diabetes, which cause two-thirds of kidney failures.

"It's kind of immoral the way it works now," says Bill Peckham, 45, a dialysis patient and blogger in Seattle. Though about one in five dialysis patients die every year, Peckham says, "you keep the chairs filled with new people, because Medicare doesn't show up until you're in the dialysis unit."

J. Michael Lazarus, Fresenius' chief medical officer, says: "Every nephrologist would love to see patients earlier. But nobody sends them. … I've seen them in the emergency room at the end." That's because many rarely have seen any kind of doctor, let alone a kidney specialist, he says. End-stage renal disease "is a disease of the indigent," he says. "They show up because nobody treated their hypertension, nobody treated their diabetes."

— By Rita Rubin, USA TODAY
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Old Fri, May-15-15, 06:49
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Good luck! I know the first chapter of How I gave up my low fat diet and lost forty pounds by Dana Carpender was about helping a kidney patient craft a low carb diet -- and he improved his kidney function.
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Old Sat, May-16-15, 14:56
MuddyGurl MuddyGurl is offline
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Hi Wearbear… yes indeedy..I just got my results from my 3rd renal test and I have improved my eGFR and lowered the Creatinine by 2 points..which is huge!

Maybe NOTHING I did helped over the 30 days I made a concerted effort to improve health, but possibly every tiny thing cumulatively I did to offload the strain on my sole kidney made a difference.

I can't fix or grow nephrons, or raise my function by dozens of points..ageing and continued loss of function is normal.

But anything someone can do to AID and support, by giving the body what it needs should help make a difference. Avoiding dialysis another month or year by adherence to an ideal diet, with good mental health, thus allows the body to maintain as best it can.

Of course nurses, docs, and nephrologists are almost anti "food as medicine" …. I just ignore them.
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Old Sat, May-16-15, 15:16
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It seems as if nutritional ketosis would be the perfect diet for you. Low carb, moderate protein, high fat.

One important clarification....protein does not CAUSE kidney disease, though diseased kidneys may have trouble filtering "excess" protein. A high carb diet is more likely to promote the diabetes and high blood pressure that leads to kidney disease. How much protein per day do you shoot for?
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Old Sun, May-17-15, 02:53
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You must be clarifying for the idiots who can't comprehend English well enough that meat doesn't cause kidney failure, cause I sure didn't say that.

People with healthy kidneys can eat as they wish.
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Old Sun, May-17-15, 08:50
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I'm clarifying it for someone reading this post who might be new to LCHF and who has heard the (untrue) rumors that a high protein diet can cause kidney failure. As you know, nothing could be further from the truth, but there are still plenty of sources that suggest that connection.

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Old Sun, May-17-15, 16:48
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Hi Wearbear… yes indeedy..I just got my results from my 3rd renal test and I have improved my eGFR and lowered the Creatinine by 2 points..which is huge!



I'm so thrilled for you! Talk about motivation
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Old Sun, May-17-15, 21:38
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If I've got below range creatinine does that mean I have nothing to worry about regarding kidney function? They didn't test my GFR.

I'm a little concerned about the low creatinine because that might mean I'm losing muscle mass. True, I haven't been working out... and I should be.
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lowered the Creatinine by 2 points.


HUGE!
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Old Mon, May-18-15, 21:13
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Hi Nancy…eGFR is measured as a GUESSTIMATE of your Creatinine.. the 'e' meanest estimated..they use a formula to calculate it.

From what I've read low Cr means you have very efficient kidneys, no problem. ( DO research on your own to confirm)

they would test this further with a 24 hr urine test..in which YOU collect ALL your urine over the 24 hrs…..keep in fridge, place into a large jug, and take to the labs/Dr office. it is critical not to LOSE ANY amount of actual urine to give accurate results.

so do you feel ill?
http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/ate/live...ney/203123.html
remember the older you get the lower the drop in eGFR as kidneys slowly lose function…the problem is the 5 classes are rigid..a 65 yr old is in Stage 3 naturally, but may think they have issues, but all factors must be observed..like HA1C, BG, etc.

OTOH a 65 yr old may really be in serious trouble in Stage 3b and not know it, and keep eating the wrong foods, taking Naproxxen, etc. to hasten failure.

Why we should sub-divide CKD stage 3 into early (3a) and late (3b) components
http://ndt.oxfordjournals.org/content/22/9/2728.full

the scary info here is that MOST of the lowe stage 3 disappear to form only a tiny stage 4..the author postulates maybe they die off before making it to stage 4…yikes!!!
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Old Mon, May-18-15, 21:37
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"OTOH a 65 yr old may really be in serious trouble in Stage 3b and not know it, and keep eating the wrong foods, taking Naproxxen, etc. to hasten failure."

Yes, that Aleve looks so harmless now, sitting there on the pharmacy shelves right next to the aspirin.

If people only knew what the inserts said back when it was by prescription only....
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Old Tue, May-19-15, 08:32
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A number of sites said that low creatinine was related to muscle wasting disorders.

I suspect mine is because I knocked off exercising for a couple months when I was suffering from a sinus infection and then suffered from laziness.

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Low blood levels of creatinine are not common, but they are also not usually a cause for concern. They can be seen with conditions that result in decreased muscle mass. Levels of 24-hour urine creatinine are evaluated with blood levels as part of a creatinine clearance test.Feb 24, 2015


I think I'll have it checked again in a few months, after resuming exercise, and see if it changes.

Thanks for the info, MuddyGirl!
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Old Tue, May-19-15, 14:18
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You are welcome Nancy..also a possibility of masthesenia gravis (sp?) is but as you say a simple change in lifestyle may also cause a temporary change.

I have been busy researching more on Urea Nitrogen and Albumin results as related to CKD. The more protein in the diet. i.e. meat protein, the harder the kidney works to expel wastes. But if you go too low on protein you harm heart muscles, and endure fatigue.

The happy medium is finding the right amount of protein, the right foods depending on your kidney function. I am bashed about the head and shoulders by rude people who insist I am blaming meat protein unfairly. Well, unless one KNOWS what their health is in beginning any 'diet' then they risk harm, period.

I'd love to eat my favorite grass fed $$ Tbone steak weekly..paid $17 for the last one!! and it was the LAST one, as I changed to an all plant diet, and will continue to do so, with improved kidney results.

MANY people who are dieting, LCHF especially are so happy to have meat, fatty meat, and I dont blame them, satiety is the main reason most stick with LCHF..and seeing results! can't argue with success..UNLESS you are causing yourself problems unwittingly.

We're told to "check with your dr. before beginning any diet"….well until they test you for renal function too…there won't be certain proof on how your kidneys will handle "any diet".

Since many confuse LCHF with high protein, and go ahead and chow down…well they can blame themselves. I know the Drs Eades regret begin talked into "Protein Power" as their book title..it haunts them still to be explaining what they really mean!

I've been active emailing Dr.Jason Fung, and calling Dr. Gary Calton (scientist who developed amino acids for Dr. Walsers low protein regimen for CKD) to learn about diet and kidney function. I am posting in a user site for pre and current dialysis and transplant patients, as this is the path I may be on, like it or not.

Choosing a low protein supplemented diet NOW may slow or stop the need for a high protein diet with dialysis later..I know what I chose..bye bye Tbone, hello hemp seed + essential amino acids. (yum..and I mean that!)

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