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Old Tue, Apr-01-08, 19:29
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Plan: LCHF/NK
Stats: 196/165.7/145 Female 5' 9"
BF:too much!
Progress: 59%
Location: Rockford, IL
Question Am I diabetic?

Hi All! My name is Marcia. I'm 57, 5'9", and 179... I've been LCing since the first of the year, lost 20 lb., but I'm scared!

I had my physical in late Feb.my Dr. ordered, among others, a FBG test. The nurse called me a few days later and said the result was 105, it was the high side of normal, but was OK. When I received the written report of all my results it read that I was in the normal range for FBG and I did not have diabetes. So I thought great and went on my merry way.

There was something in one of the LC forums that I frequent that led me to, I believe Jenny's site that got me thinking about my result. I went out and bought the ReliOn Meter and have been testing my BG. I hope you don't mind if I post my results.

Sat:
126 when I first woke up ( I am hypothyroid so I have to wait an hour after I take my pill before I can eat)
142 - before breakfast ( I had coffee)
167- 1 hr. (had 1/2 small red grapefruit with eggs and bacon)
105 - 2 hrs
97 - before lunch
101 - 1 hr
107 - 2 hr.
102 - before dinner
104 - 1 hr.
120 - 2 hr.
120 - before I went to bed

Sun:
115 - first woke up
125 - before breakfast
126 - 1 hr.
109 - 2 hr.
105 - before lunch
113 - 1 hr.
100 - 2 hr.
94 - before dinner
93 - 1 hr.
109 - 2 hr
117 - before bed

Mon:
118 - first woke up
134 - before breakfast
126 - 1 hr.
100 - 2 hr.
100 - before lunch
this day I decided to take the test on Jenny's site. I had 2 cups of white rice with soy sauce. (70 carbs)
193 - 1 hr.
151 - 2 hr.
137 - 3 hr. Then I had dinner. Tested again right before I went to bed and it was 104

Today:
109 - woke up
120 - before breakfast
123 - 1 hr.
121 - before lunch
106 - 1 - 1/2 hr
105 - before dinner
106 - 2 hr.

Sorry for such a long post, but I guess you can tell that I'm a bit afraid! Looks like I have to eliminate fruit and even coffee... some of those morning readings were with decaf. Didn't seem to help! Not too happy about that I did buy Dr. B's book and read it in 1 day. I've been pretty much under 20 carbs for nearly 3 months... I hate to think of what my BS was then, all I ate was garbage!!! This is all my fault, I let it happen and now I have to pay the price...

So, what do you think? Am I diabetic? Pre-diabetic? Sure would like your input and advice! Thanks so much for listening!
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Old Tue, Apr-01-08, 20:15
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Hi, and welcome, Marcia

First, don't be scared. Knowledge is power, and if you're willing to work at it, you can control these numbers.

Officially, the ADA says:

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Normal fasting blood glucose is below 100 mg/dl. A person with pre-diabetes has a fasting blood glucose level between 100 and 125 mg/dl. If the blood glucose level rises to 126 mg/dl or above, a person has diabetes.


Whatever you choose to call it, you do have an issue with your blood sugar. But, if you tackle it now, you can whip it. My FBS was 339 when I was diagnosed, now it stays in the 80s.
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Old Tue, Apr-01-08, 20:51
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Plan: LCHF/NK
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BF:too much!
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Hi Daryl!

Thanks so much for the welcome and the encouragement! I really feel so much better with just those few words! I am definitely willing to work at it! I was so surprised and I must say disappointed to see what effect coffee has on my BS! Grrrr! Tomorrow will be my first morning without it... I can do this... I quit smoking 4 years so I know I can do this... I'll see what happens to my BS. I want to do whatever I can to take control. I have a lot more years in me and I want to be able to enjoy them!

Thanks again...

Daryl, I meant to ask you... are you on any medication or are you able to control it with diet and exercise?

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Old Tue, Apr-01-08, 21:01
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Hi Daryl!

Thanks so much for the welcome and the encouragement! I really feel so much better with just those few words! I am definitely willing to work at it! I was so surprised and I must say disappointed to see what effect coffee has on my BS! Grrrr! Tomorrow will be my first morning without it... I can do this... I quit smoking 4 years so I know I can do this... I'll see what happens to my BS. I want to do whatever I can to take control. I have a lot more years in me and I want to be able to enjoy them!

Thanks again...

Daryl, I meant to ask you... are you on any medication or are you able to control it with diet and exercise?


That's the attitude I miss soooo many things, but none of them mean more to me than my health.

When I was diagnosed, I started out on 4 pills a day; after going low carb, I was able to completly get off meds, haven't had to take any in several months I was terrified of the thought of having to take insulin, but if it ever comes to that, I will.

Are you on meds? (edited to add: surely you aren't, if you haven't been diagnosed -- duh me, it's been a long day )

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Old Tue, Apr-01-08, 21:08
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Plan: Berstein's
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Location: S. Carolina US
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Welcome and keep coming back Marcia... lots of wisdom, experience, and hope here.

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Old Tue, Apr-01-08, 23:55
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Plan: Eat Fat, Get Thin
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BF:32/23.5/23.5
Progress: 88%
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Sunflwr1:

It's possilbe if you're really feeling stressed about being a diabetic, those numbers can be up by 10 points or so more than they normally might be...

I'd err on the side of caution, consider I might be pre-diabetic at the least and get a second opinion, but knowing what I know now, I wouldn't rely on Doctors for my health, but rather I'd start getting involved in learning all I can, changing my lifestyle accordingly if necessary and while learning not to stress over my life's situation...
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Old Wed, Apr-02-08, 03:13
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Coffee may not be the culprit: I would suspect dawn phenomena: See Dr: Bersteins book.
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Old Wed, Apr-02-08, 05:16
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Plan: LCHF/NK
Stats: 196/165.7/145 Female 5' 9"
BF:too much!
Progress: 59%
Location: Rockford, IL
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Originally Posted by Daryl
That's the attitude I miss soooo many things, but none of them mean more to me than my health.


Thanks again, Daryl... I will definitely have to keep that thought in mind. It is so true!

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Originally Posted by Daryl
When I was diagnosed, I started out on 4 pills a day; after going low carb, I was able to completly get off meds, haven't had to take any in several months I was terrified of the thought of having to take insulin, but if it ever comes to that, I will.
That's fabulous and very encouraging!

Korban... Thanks for the welcome! I really appreciate it!

Cajunboy... I happen to agree with you, my doctor said I was not diabetic, not to worry. Perhaps I'm not, but I'm pretty darn close so that's why I decided to test on my own. I'm going to keep testing this month and then determine if I need to get her involved for more testing. I don't want "Diabetic" in my medical record if I can help it.

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Coffee may not be the culprit: I would suspect dawn phenomena: See Dr: Bersteins book.
Oh Rob! That would be so wonderful! I dearly love my coffee in the morning even if I have to go decaf. When I woke up this morning my BS was 102. Now I'm waiting my 1 hr. before I can have breakfast and then I'll check it again. If it goes up without coffee then I'll suspect DP is the culprit. I wonder if it could my hypothyroid meds? Hmmm...

I thank all of you for responding... you've been so helpful!
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Old Wed, Apr-02-08, 05:54
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Plan: Dr. Bernstein (modified )
Stats: 298/205/199 Male 5 foot 11 inches
BF:
Progress: 94%
Location: Smithtown, NY
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Welcome.

The best thing you can do is to follow all the suggestions you have read.

Whether you are "officially" diabetic or NOT isn't the point.

You are headed that way.

So, gain control right now.

My Doctor saw the warning signs for me in the early 2006 and made a very small statement to me about losing weight. My A1C had gone over 6. It was 6.3 or something in that range.

But he didn't sound the alarm. So I went about my business for a whole year. I switched doctors late 2006 early 2007 and went for another physical; I go annually and this Doctor sounded the alarm. My A1C had gone from 6.3 up to 9.6, I believe during 2006 early 2007. My BG levels were over 300 and probably were over 300 for most of the year 2006.

Had I known in 2006 I would have been a year wiser and controlling much sooner.

So my point is be happy you have someone who cared enough to sound the alarm.

So, become your own advocate. Learn and read. Poke around all over the place in this forum. You will find so many people with so much "real" experience to share. You will end up more educated on diabetes than the typical Doctor believe it or not.

Many people can control this with diet control, some do natural methods and some do medicines.

I have tried many. I ended up on insulin, both basal and fast acting. It works for me now based on where I am at.

My goal is to have an A1C under 5.0. Normal is 4.2-4.6 according to Dr. Bernstein's Diabetes Solution book.

Also, I am learning to keep spikes from happening in my BG. This is when the damage can occur to your vital organs. Keep your spikes under 120 is ideal and 140 is not so bad. Spikes above that are troublesome. But it also takes years of abuse for many people to sadly end up with all the dreaded complications that can happen.

So, you have done a great thing by starting your journey here with all of us.

Read, read, practice, make mistakes, try different approaches. Find what works for you.

I believe you can do quite well and do so quickly.

By my switching to LCing and staying under 60 carbs per day evenly distributed I brought my A1C down from 9.3 or 9.6 to 5.4 within 3 months.

Yes, I also take Metformin ER 1000mg in the AM and 1000mg in the PM.

Now I take a basal insulin so that my readings are now typically below 100 and keep my BG rises in a much tighter range between 70-120 most of the time.

We all make mistakes, but don't go crazy on yourself. Just do your best, learn from your mistakes and learn what works for you.

Many here are strict advocates of Dr. B's 6-12-12 regimen of carbs with 5 hour fasting in between and do fantastic. But again, you must find what works for you and your lifestyle.

Be well.

You are on your way to being well.

Ralph
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Old Wed, Apr-02-08, 07:08
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Plan: Bernstein-ish
Stats: 148/125/125 Female 5'0"
BF:Started 1/5/08
Progress: 100%
Location: Charlotte NC
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Hi Marcia, welcome! First of all, you said this (getting ready to quote you, hee hee) and I never wanna hear you say this again:

You said: 'This is all my fault, I let it happen and now I have to pay the price...'

No it's NOT your fault, get that right outa your head!!!!

Ok that's over with, now let's get down to business! Your BG's aren't all that bad except for a few, especially that 197 where you had 2 cups of white rice, but at least you know now what a lot of white rice will do to you! The good thing is that you are low carbing, and this is only going to improve with time. It did for me, and I knew absolutely nothing about diabetes or low carb until I was diagnosed back in December. You learn fast what spikes your sugar and what foods to avoid. You seem to be keeping your average BG's around 100 and your post prandials aren't terrible - look at them, many under 120 which isn't bad at all. They look like mine, and I am just grateful that I can keep them at this level for now.

I think you have to be patient, you can't go to a 'normal' average of 83 -85 ish overnight, but it's certainly possible according to Dr. Bernstein, so just keep doing what you are doing and try your best. The important thing is to try and keep the BG's out of the danger zone and you are already mostly there - you will get better and better at this once you figure out the little tweaks that work for your own body. I know for instance, that I can have 1/2 a grapefruit but I can't have it WITH something like a slice of whole wheat toast. Either one alone works for me, not both. Someone else may be different, or not be able to have either one, ever. We all have our own tolerances or lack of.

We are lucky to have a condition like diabetes, in the sense that if it is recognized at an early stage we can actually do something about it to help ourselves. There are a lot of things where that is not possible - in fact some things are a lot worse, we all know what they are..... (shudder!)

Keep up the good work, and keep coming to these forums - it helps a lot to have friendly companions who are all in the same boat
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Old Wed, Apr-02-08, 07:12
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Welcome! I am also a coffee lover, and I've switched over to decaf and haven't had a problem. I initially had a very strong problem with my morning BG numbers, but after a few weeks of conscious control of my daily numbers, they have improved, and now I'm almost always under 100 when I wake up.

One thing that effects me now is if I eat too close to bed time. If I have about 4 hours between dinner and sleeping, and a low carb dinner, I'm ok in the morning. I can have more carbs with lunch and still keep my levels OK.
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Old Wed, Apr-02-08, 18:43
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Plan: LCHF/NK
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BF:too much!
Progress: 59%
Location: Rockford, IL
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Ralph... thank you so much! That was a wonderful reply. So much info and so encouraging. Doctors can really be scary! My Dr. said that I didn't have diabetes, that my BS was normal. After doing some reading I decided to start checking my BS myself. A week ago I was as carefree as a lark, but I am so glad that I delved into it and became aware. My mother died almost 2 years ago of pancreatic cancer that I'm sure was caused my her uncontrolled T2 diabetes. She never took it seriously... I am going to take the month of April to try and keep my BS levels down, if I feel I can't do it alone I will call my Dr. I would truly like to avoid having diabetes in my health record. If it has to be then it has to be, but I'm hoping I can control it myself. I think I can... Ok, I know I can!

Hi Rose... and thank you for another wonderfully encouraging reply.
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No it's NOT your fault, get that right outa your head!!!!
I appreciate that Rose, but if you only knew the garbage I ate... with no respect for body but, thank you!:-) I'm already starting to learn about foods that cause problems... I sure wish I didn't have issues with grapefruit... perhaps in time I can try again. I try to look at this as an adventure, to see what works and what doesn't. This morning I had roasted asparagus along with leftover pork roast and my breakfast BS went from 106 to 127 postprandial (I'm already learning new terminology). So I think I'm learning that raw veggies don't seem to have the same effect that cooked ones to. I think Dr. Bernstein mentions that... I would still like to lose another 25-30 lb. I'm thinking that should help too, right? I have started to get out an walk again... haven't done much of any exercise all winter. Not good!

swirlygirl... ahhh so you know how I feel. I did go without today... can't believe it but, I did and actually it didn't bother me all that much. At some point I may give decaf a try again and see what happens. *sigh* Last night I tried a Pepsi One (made with Splenda) and it didn't raise my BS... in fact it went down so when I checked it right before bed it was 96. I was thrilled!

Thanks again... to all of you!
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Old Wed, Apr-02-08, 21:26
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Plan: Very high fat LC/HCG
Stats: 310/155.4/159 Female 67 inches
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Welcome Marcia. I'm so glad you found us. Wonder if you're just really smart or really lucky? lol Seriously, there are so many diabetes forums out there where they talk about eating their low fat and healthy carbs and go on more and more meds with higher and higher numbers and more and more complications, it's not even funny. Sometimes I lurk and just sit there shaking my head.

I'm going to say something you may not want to hear.... I think you are early diabetic. I'm going to link you to a blog by our member Lottadata, which I see you've already been reading, to see if you've found this article yet that explains how when most folks finally get a diagnosis from a doctor, they've actually had diabetes for up to 10 years, and why doctors are so late to diagnose.

So instead of you waiting for another 3 or 4 for an official diagnosis, you can start acting like you do now, and get a jump on reversing it, and never seeing that diagnosis.

A whole page of relevant articles:
http://diabetesupdate.blogspot.com/...gnosis+10+years

How and why the ADA Keeps Doctors from Diagnosing Early Diabetes - by Lottadata
http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes/14046782.php
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Old Wed, Apr-02-08, 22:44
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Hi All! My name is Marcia. I'm 57, 5'9", and 179... I've been LCing since the first of the year, lost 20 lb., but I'm scared!

I had my physical in late Feb.my Dr. ordered, among others, a FBG test. The nurse called me a few days later and said the result was 105, it was the high side of normal, but was OK. When I received the written report of all my results it read that I was in the normal range for FBG and I did not have diabetes. So I thought great and went on my merry way.

There was something in one of the LC forums that I frequent that led me to, I believe Jenny's site that got me thinking about my result. I went out and bought the ReliOn Meter and have been testing my BG. I hope you don't mind if I post my results.

Sat:
126 when I first woke up ( I am hypothyroid so I have to wait an hour after I take my pill before I can eat)
142 - before breakfast ( I had coffee)
167- 1 hr. (had 1/2 small red grapefruit with eggs and bacon)
105 - 2 hrs
97 - before lunch
101 - 1 hr
107 - 2 hr.
102 - before dinner
104 - 1 hr.
120 - 2 hr.
120 - before I went to bed

Sun:
115 - first woke up
125 - before breakfast
126 - 1 hr.
109 - 2 hr.
105 - before lunch
113 - 1 hr.
100 - 2 hr.
94 - before dinner
93 - 1 hr.
109 - 2 hr
117 - before bed

Mon:
118 - first woke up
134 - before breakfast
126 - 1 hr.
100 - 2 hr.
100 - before lunch
this day I decided to take the test on Jenny's site. I had 2 cups of white rice with soy sauce. (70 carbs)
193 - 1 hr.
151 - 2 hr.
137 - 3 hr. Then I had dinner. Tested again right before I went to bed and it was 104

Today:
109 - woke up
120 - before breakfast
123 - 1 hr.
121 - before lunch
106 - 1 - 1/2 hr
105 - before dinner
106 - 2 hr.

Sorry for such a long post, but I guess you can tell that I'm a bit afraid! Looks like I have to eliminate fruit and even coffee... some of those morning readings were with decaf. Didn't seem to help! Not too happy about that I did buy Dr. B's book and read it in 1 day. I've been pretty much under 20 carbs for nearly 3 months... I hate to think of what my BS was then, all I ate was garbage!!! This is all my fault, I let it happen and now I have to pay the price...

So, what do you think? Am I diabetic? Pre-diabetic? Sure would like your input and advice! Thanks so much for listening!



Hello Marcia!

Was your Doctor an Endocrinologist? If he wasn't, I would advise you to visit one and give them the same information you gave us. Then go from there.
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Old Thu, Apr-03-08, 05:22
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Plan: LCHF/NK
Stats: 196/165.7/145 Female 5' 9"
BF:too much!
Progress: 59%
Location: Rockford, IL
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I'm going to say something you may not want to hear.... I think you are early diabetic. I'm going to link you to a blog by our member Lottadata, which I see you've already been reading, to see if you've found this article yet that explains how when most folks finally get a diagnosis from a doctor, they've actually had diabetes for up to 10 years, and why doctors are so late to diagnose.
Hi Karen, thanks for the welcome. Yes! That's the article I read that got me to thinking and why I bought a meter and started testing my BS. I think I'm lucky for sure!

Karen, Congratulations of your weight loss! That is fantastic!!!

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Was your Doctor an Endocrinologist? If he wasn't, I would advise you to visit one and give them the same information you gave us. Then go from there.
No, she's an Internist, but for the month of April I'm going to see if I can take charge of my BG. Trying to find a Dr. who is not entrenched in low fat/high carb is such a crap shoot!
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