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Old Sun, Jan-24-21, 07:09
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Default Do you have to be in ketosis to burn fat? Good Question!

This is a good read. I used to have a Ketonix meter, maybe time for a new one to play with?

https://optimisingnutrition.com/ket...is-to-burn-fat/
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Old Sun, Jan-24-21, 09:59
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That is a good read. It also shows how we are coming back to what was "common knowledge" 50 years ago - that if you've got something spilling over into your blood or urine, you've got too much of it, not too little of it.

When I first went LC ~20 years ago I got a BG monitor to help identify which foods increase my BG more than others and more than what their carb counts would predict. When Marty first started his blog and data plots, it was interesting to see that his results were the same as mine, with things like dairy being at the high end of the range. And the high-end foods were all ones that have triggered my cravings for decades, and things that Atkins limited or did not allow in 1972.

I bought some ketosticks once, but most of the time I was looking at them in differerent lighting trying to discern if they were very very very pale pink or had not changed colour at all. What I did find was that if I avoided the high-end-of-range cravings inducers and ate only Bernstein levels of carbs per meal of real foods, my hunger & cravings completely disappeared and I lost fat effortlessly. And I could rely on my hunger signals coming back only when I needed food again, something I hadn't been able to rely on since I was ~12 years old. I wasn't spilling ketones because I was using them up for energy & brain activities, the way the body was designed to work - in equilibrium with optimal nutrition.

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Old Sun, Jan-24-21, 10:27
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That is a good read. It also shows how we are coming back to what was "common knowledge" 50 years ago - that if you've got something spilling over into your blood or urine, you've got too much of it, not too little of it.

That makes sense.
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I got a meter for DH and I since he was so new to it. Thing is, once you are "in the groove" you aren't going to have much.

Still, I don't regret it. This kind of feedback is crucial for DH. It's early days yet, so he's going to being starting over or tightening up periodically.
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And to go with the ketosis question....The Lie often seen, especially on "Keto" Cooking FB pages:

Keto Lie #3: You should eat more fat to burn more body fat.


https://optimisingnutrition.com/ket...-more-body-fat/

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Old Sat, Jan-30-21, 13:13
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This is a very good read. Just read last night. Presently reading A Case For Keto by Gary Taubes. Enjoying it.
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Taubes wrote an article for today's Wall Street Journal. Pretty much an overview of the principles in the new book. Worth a read.
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That is a good read. It also shows how we are coming back to what was "common knowledge" 50 years ago - that if you've got something spilling over into your blood or urine, you've got too much of it, not too little of it.

When I first went LC ~20 years ago I got a BG monitor to help identify which foods increase my BG more than others and more than what their carb counts would predict. When Marty first started his blog and data plots, it was interesting to see that his results were the same as mine, with things like dairy being at the high end of the range. And the high-end foods were all ones that have triggered my cravings for decades, and things that Atkins limited or did not allow in 1972.

I bought some ketosticks once, but most of the time I was looking at them in differerent lighting trying to discern if they were very very very pale pink or had not changed colour at all. What I did find was that if I avoided the high-end-of-range cravings inducers and ate only Bernstein levels of carbs per meal of real foods, my hunger & cravings completely disappeared and I lost fat effortlessly. And I could rely on my hunger signals coming back only when I needed food again, something I hadn't been able to rely on since I was ~12 years old. I wasn't spilling ketones because I was using them up for energy & brain activities, the way the body was designed to work - in equilibrium with optimal nutrition.


great feedback!
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Old Sat, Jan-30-21, 15:50
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thanks for the other posts. i should check out Gary Tís. new stuff
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