Originally Posted by tomsey

Surely they make a cold pressed version.

Originally Posted by M Levac

I don't know of any population that retained their protection from the diseases of civilization once they switched to a modern diet.

Radical diets, you mean no protein whatsoever, that kind of radical? Or do you mean there's still some protein, some fat and some carbohydrate but from wildly different sources? Amino acids, whether they come from plants or animals, are indistinguishable from each other, i.e. glutamine is glutamine is glutamine. The same goes for fat and carbohydrate, or any other nutrient for that matter.

It makes no sense to compare populations to individuals. With populations, we compare a continuum. In individuals, we compare a precise and unique set of conditions. For example, the mother could have been fed a high carb diet which would have affected the fetus' development. Or the child could have been fed a high carb diet which would have affected his development.

It's absurd that our genes would be programmed to make us sick, fat, weak, and stupid. Not even just a little bit. Genes don't work this way. It's "either/or" for genes. But it's quite reasonable to assume that since carbohydrate is what causes us to grow sick, fat, weak and stupid, that just even a little bit of carbohydrate could make us a little sick, a little fat, a little weak, and a little stupid.

Originally Posted by tiredangel

Doing the slightest bit of reading, Sally Fallon (Weston A Price Foundation) says not to eat rice bran oil as it's a carcinogen. Apparently, it's extracted using high heat and hexane which means it's off my menu, which is too bad because it does make a fabulous mayo.

Originally Posted by dmkorn

In response to "No, grains are not all that healthy."

In 1900, Americans got the vast majority of their calories from grains. Today we get far fewer calories from grains, yet obesity levels have skyrocketed. So it can't be that we are eating too many grains. It just doesn't make any sense. Certainly the fact that the refining process removes substances from grains that are associated with lower body weight could be a problem. It can not be the grains themselves.

Even bread labeled "whole wheat bread" is not necessarily healthy. Unless bread say 100% whole wheat, it almost certainly had the wheat oil removed. Just like white rice has the white rice oil removed. Food processors want grains to have long shelf life, and these oils go bad quickly, yet they contain the vast majority of the nutrients in the wheat. Nutrients we haven't even identified as such. Supplementing people with rice bran oil has been shown to dramatically lower insulin resistance, but researchers don't know what component of the oil this is. This is the benefit of real whole grains. Whole wheat bread is not a whole grain, 100% whole wheat or stone ground wheat is a whole grain. As is whole rice or brown rice.

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Originally Posted by RJLupin

I have to agree with this, I think whole grains are very good and work for me even when I am doing low-carb. I buy VERY fresh bread from Whole Foods, and I am limiting myself to small servings, but I don't buy the whole "all grains are bad" argument.