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Old Tue, Aug-11-09, 13:46
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Default High Fat diet rapidly deteriorates cognitive and physical performance in mice

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Old Wed, Aug-12-09, 07:01
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To start with : Aren't mice grain eater ? Why do they still use them to research human eating habit ?
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I'll be sure to switch my mouse chow.
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Old Wed, Aug-12-09, 16:35
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You mean feeding a mouse a diet that is not natural for it causes the mouse problems? Shocking.
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'Some high-fat, low-carb diets for weight loss can even have fat contents as high as 60 per cent. However, it's not clear how many direct conclusions can be drawn from our work for these diets, as the high-fat diet we used was not particularly low in carbs,' he adds.

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Old Fri, Aug-14-09, 01:27
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Default Fast food 'makes you less intelligent'

From the Telegraph
14 August, 2009


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Fast food 'makes you less intelligent'

Fast food can make you less intelligent, according to new research


A high-fat diet over less than 10 days was found to damage the short-term memory of rats used in the experiment from scientists at Oxford University.

The research team studied rats fed a low fat diet, comprising 7.5 per cent of calories as fat, and compared them with rats fed a high-fat junk food diet, with 55 per cent of calories as fat.

It found that after four days the muscles of the rat on the high-fat diet were less able to use oxygen to make energy needed to exercise, causing an increase in heart size.

After nine days, the high-fat rats made more mistakes in a maze, taking longer to complete it. On the other hand, the low-fat rats were running 50 per cent further by this period.

Researchers found increased levels of a protein called uncoupling protein 3 in the rats' muscle cells. The protein makes the cells less efficient at using oxygen to make the energy required for running.

Andrew Murray, co-author of the study, said: "Western diets are typically high in fat and are associated with long-term complications such as obesity, diabetes, and heart failure yet the short-term consequences of such diets have been given relatively little attention.

"We hope that the findings of our study will help people to think seriously about reducing the fat content of their daily food intake to the immediate benefit of their general health, well-being and alertness."

Dr Gerald Weissmann, editor of the Federation of the American Societies for Experimental Biology, who published the study, said: "It's nothing short of a high-fat hangover."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/h...ntelligent.html
I'd rather think seriously about the level of carbs in my daily food intake, than about the fat content!
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Old Fri, Aug-14-09, 02:08
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"Physical endurance – how long we can keep exercising –depends on how much oxygen can be supplied to our muscles and how efficiently our muscles release energy by burning up the fuel we get from the food we eat. In particular, using fat as a fuel is less efficient than using glucose from carbohydrates, but the metabolic changes induced by different diets are complex and it has been controversial whether high-fat feeding for a short time would increase or decrease physical performance."



Can someone explain how a fuel that gives 66.7 percent more energy measured in calories than glucose is less efficient?

One glucose molecule, in ideal conditions supposedly gives 38 ATP molecules after several turns in the citric acid cycle. It can also be broken down into ATP anaerobically, which yields only 2 ATP per molecule glucose.

1 molecule of palmitic acid breaks down into 130 ATP molecules by going through several turns in both the fatty acid cycle and it's product Acetyl CoA then through the citric acid cycle.

I read that the reason fatty acid metabolism is supposedly less efficient than glucose was that glucose can be broken down into ATP both aerobically and anaerobically. But, since anaerobic respiration only yields 2 ATP, how is this more efficient? Fatty acids need a lot of oxygen to the cells in order to work efficiently, but how much do you need to beat 2 ATP?

The difference in energy (number of ATP molecules) between fully metabolised glucose and fully metabolised fatty acids is 342% in favor of the fat, in my estimation.

Scientists, please correct me.

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Old Fri, Aug-14-09, 06:12
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Default NYTimes: Fatty Foods Affect Memory and Exercise

Fatty Foods Affect Memory and Exercise

Eating fatty food appears to take an almost immediate toll on both short-term memory and exercise performance, according to new research on rats and people.

It’s already known that long-term consumption of a high-fat diet is associated with weight gain, heart disease and declines in cognitive function. But the new research shows how indulging in fatty foods over the course of a few days can affect the brain and body long before the extra pounds show up.

To determine the effect of a fatty diet on memory and muscle performance, researchers studied 32 rats that were fed low-fat rat chow and trained for two months to complete a challenging maze. The maze included eight different paths that ended with a treat of sweetened condensed milk. The goal was for the rat to find each treat without doubling back into a corridor where it had already been. The maze was wiped down with alcohol, so the rat had to rely on memory rather than sense of smell.

All of the rats studied had mastered the maze, finding at least six or seven of the eight treats before making a mistake. Some rats even found all eight on the first try.

Then half the rats were switched to high-fat rat chow (comprised of 55 percent fat), while the remaining rats stayed on their regular chow (which had 7.5 percent fat). After four days, the rats eating the fatty chow began to falter on the maze test — all of them did worse than when they were on their regular chow. On average, the rats on the fatty diet found only five treats before making a mistake. The rats who stayed with their regular food continued the same high level of performance on the maze, finding six or more treats before making a mistake.

Half of the rats had also been trained to run on a treadmill. After only a few days on the high-fat diet, the rats performed 30 percent worse on the treadmill. After five days of testing, the treadmill performance of the rats eating fatty foods had declined by half. The study results appear in The Faseb Journal, which is the journal of the Federation of American Societies for Experimental Biology.

“We expected to see changes, but maybe not so dramatic and not in such a short space of time,’’ said Andrew Murray, the study’s lead author and a lecturer in physiology at Cambridge University in Britain. “It was really striking how quickly these effects happened.’’

Although the human data aren’t yet published, the researchers have also performed similar studies of high-fat diets in healthy young men who then performed exercise and cognitive tests. Dr. Murray said he is still reviewing the data, but the short-term effect of a fatty diet on humans appears to be similar to that found in the rat studies.

It’s not clear why fatty foods would cause a short-term decline in cognitive function. One theory is that a high-fat diet can trigger insulin resistance, which means the body becomes less efficient at using the glucose, or blood sugar, so important to brain function.

Fatty foods appear to have a short-term effect on exercise performance because the body reacts to high fat content in the blood by releasing certain proteins that essentially make the metabolism less efficient. “It’s thought to be a protective mechanism to get rid of excess fat,’’ Dr. Murray said. “But it was making muscles less efficient at using oxygen and fuel to make the energy needed to run.’’

The findings are particularly relevant to people who may not worry about binging on fatty foods because they exercise regularly.

“Exercise is a good way of burning it off, because you’re burning the calories off,’’ Dr. Murray said. “But in terms of actually trying to put in a good time if you’re running, it will limit your performance.’’
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Old Fri, Aug-14-09, 07:04
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Apparently a similar test was done on humans, soon to be published, and the results were just as awful.

“We expected to see changes, but maybe not so dramatic and not in such a short space of time,’’ said Andrew Murray, the study’s lead author and a lecturer in physiology at Cambridge University in Britain. “It was really striking how quickly these effects happened.’’

Although the human data aren’t yet published, the researchers have also performed similar studies of high-fat diets in healthy young men who then performed exercise and cognitive tests. Dr. Murray said he is still reviewing the data, but the short-term effect of a fatty diet on humans appears to be similar to that found in the rat studies.

It’s not clear why fatty foods would cause a short-term decline in cognitive function. One theory is that a high-fat diet can trigger insulin resistance, which means the body becomes less efficient at using the glucose, or blood sugar, so important to brain function.

Fatty foods appear to have a short-term effect on exercise performance because the body reacts to high fat content in the blood by releasing certain proteins that essentially make the metabolism less efficient. “It’s thought to be a protective mechanism to get rid of excess fat,’’ Dr. Murray said. “But it was making muscles less efficient at using oxygen and fuel to make the energy needed to run.’’

http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/...y-and-exercise/
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Old Fri, Aug-14-09, 07:21
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Remember the high carb content. And fats don't cause insulin resistance, these guys are at best bad scientists. Any one who goes on a higher fat diet while high in (on?) carbs, we know that's bad new anyway. The subjects are transitioning into another diet, and it's not a good one. This seems to have been just another let's-confirm-our-bias atrocity disguised as worrying science.

Notice the carbs-are-good bias?
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Old Fri, Aug-14-09, 07:31
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I'm getting serious "studies" fatigue.
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Old Fri, Aug-14-09, 07:41
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There was a low carb version study done and it showed the mice lost weight but it wasn't fat. So they ended up with a higher fat percentage. They also slowed down. They also gained weight easily:

http://summertomato.com/the-latest-...nd-weight-loss/

High protein and fat:
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_relea...c-tmp040109.php

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Old Fri, Aug-14-09, 07:52
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thank goodness I'm not a mouse... also, just reading stuff like this slow down my cognitive functioning.
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Old Fri, Aug-14-09, 11:37
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Apparently a similar test was done on humans, soon to be published, and the results were just as awful.

“We expected to see changes, but maybe not so dramatic and not in such a short space of time,’’


during induction as the "short space of time" mention seem to indicate ???
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Old Fri, Aug-14-09, 15:51
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Mice isn't a synonym for rats. Just sayin.
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