I'm starting to wonder if there's such a thing as unbiased information about anything, anywhere. I'm really curious about the science behind this - anyone point me to some reputable sources of information?

ETA: I started a thread in the 'everything else' section if anyone wants to discuss the global warming etc issue (alt views, science of, etc) more in-depth...I know I would!

LOL!!!!!

Watch out so she doesn't get a few of your fingers in the attack!

People only know what they are told, and people will not absorb any new idea unless it can anchor/tie-into some existing understand/belief they already hold. Thanks to one of the biggest propaganda wars since [flamebait deleted, heh], most of our culture is so profoundly, repetitively indoctrinated from so many angles from so young, that it's almost expecting too much that the people able to open to a different idea would be common

For me, the brainwashing didn't stick past age 19 or so

Are you sure about that?

A typical indicator of indoctrination is the unwillingness to examine your own assumptions.

I was indoctrinated by hippies at a leftist/socialist school. I obviously got better (so yeah....it didn't stick).

And NO...I am not a Republican. Heck, I'm not even a Christian! (which is what most people assume because...well...they make assumptions).

I used to say that I spent the first 18 years of my life learning what people taught me and the next 18+ years of my life unlearning it. ;-)

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If the world governments keep on pushing the high carb low fat diet on billions of people, the world will be rid of humans that much faster.

And on our way out, the big pharm and the medical industry will reap the rewards! Big win for everyone!!!

The comments of the wildlife defense guy were scary. I don't know if he went on the clarify that instead of fossil fuels, developing countries should look at alternative power soures, or not. But as written on paper that was an obvious vie for world control.

Wow, I just posted something exactly to that effect on another thread, then clicked on this one and saw the above.

Great point Fuji.

Here is something else to ponder...
"As the Natural Resources Stewardship Project pointed out (see www.nrsp.com), even the vaunted five-year UN climate report, released last winter, is a highly manipulated document. Of the 2,500 scientists the UN claims support its global warming conclusions, only 62 actually reviewed the chapter said to "prove" that man is causing catastrophic climate change.

Of the 62, 60% submitted critical reviews that UN scientists refused to include in the final document.

In other words, rather than being the unbiased consensus of more than 2,000 scientists, the UN's insistence that we are destroying the Earth is the heavily doctored conclusion of perhaps two dozen agenda-driven scientists and globalist bureaucrats."
http://www.nationalpost.com/opinion...95a&k=38640&p=2

As we saw from Gary Taubes book, wrong information can get championed and cause harm to us all. So, how do we figure out fact from BS. You look at the agenda, you do look at the money, and you look at the potential POWER SHIFTS the changes being proposed would cause.

Look at the low fat diet recommendations and the obesity "crisis". What new laws are being proposed? New taxes on snack foods, cutting off the obese from health care, clamoring for class action law suits against fast food companies, etc...

The obesity crisis is one CAUSED by the government. More government will NOT solve it. Same thing for all the other "crisis" that have been shoved down my throat since I was a kid.

Look at the formula.

"In 10 years, we will all ___________ because of the ____________ crisis unless we immediately...

1. raise taxes
2. pass new laws
3. create new regulations
4. give more power to government agencies or create a new agency."

A vie for world control? Yeahhh, not so much. If you check out the politics of Earth First and other radical environmentalist groups you'll see that there is an underlying anarchist philosophy.

Now as for the UN and power grabs and what-have-you...please spare me the BS. To suggest that the US might need to act in responsible ways within the global community, and to start by agreeing upon how we all will treat the global natural resources that *we all share* is hardly the bogeyman we need to worry about. That is, unless you are getting checks from the oil companies.

So to sum it up:

UN - not a big deal, we've been hearing about this socialist (or whatever system is labeled "bad" because it dares question unrestrained capitalism) power grab "crisis" for decades.

fish poisoned by man-made pollution - kind of a big deal, why isn't this considered a crisis?

It's nice to hear an rational, thoughtful voice of reason on such a contentious subject.

Or what?
Is she going to ship all us meat eaters off to Mars?

Why not go after the pollutant car companies?