dina, trust me on this, I know the difference between normal, healthy hunger and abnormal cravings. Cravings are when I am still hungry even right after a meal, when I want to continue eating past satiety, and especially when I want carbs or alcohol instead of a healthy meal rich in fat and protein. That's the way I used to feel all the time before I started low carbing and it still happens if I eat too many carbs. Even your so-called "healthy carbs".

As for people who are on induction and hungry - I read the same posts and generally they are eating too many carbs and/or not eating enough fat, and/or simply not eating enough food. In other words, they aren't doing induction. Or they have just started - it can take a few days to get those insulin levels down.

as an aside....... Happy Birthday Dina!!

I just threw that study up to show that there is a study somewhere that can be used to support any theory that someone can come up with.

Wyrn, I trust you. But this is completely opposite for me. If I cut carbs too low, I must have a drink EVERY NIGHT, I just crave alcohol, and was afraid to become an alcoholic at one point, I had wine or martini every night to the point that DH started to worry,LOL. But if I eat more carbs, no alcohol cravings for me, and I feel fuller faster. I also eat fat and protein, so it is not just carby meal. Alcohol also impares my "will power", it makes me wanting to eat more, so I overeat protein definetely, can only stomach this much of fat at one meal.


it is not only insulin lowering effect but mostly ketosis, takes few days for ketosis to fully kick in, which suppresses appetite. Add few more carbs, and your "cravings are back", tried and true. But I hate ketogenic state: nausea, lethargy, stomach pain, cramps, yikes.
Whatever works for you, I know what works for me to make me feel good, this is very important for me, not just eat only to lose weight.
BTW, induction can't last forever, one day you need to add carbs, or stay on 20-30 g forever.
JMO and JME

Thank you, Judy. I am still at work but will celebrate later. Too bad it is not my 40th BDay, LOL.
best regards,
Dina

That's true enough, Mike, but when you start looking at demographics and the widespread effects of a behavior or diet on a population, it becomes increasingly difficult to 'show' that fiber is harmful.
Right now, we see to have two opposite extremes in opinion; supplement with fiber, you can't possibly eat too much or avoid fiber at all possible costs because it's not only not beneficial, it's downright harmful. Neither side can adequately support their positions. The truth, I suspect is somewhere in the middle. Fiber isn't the end all and be all of health but the vitamins, minerals and other nutrients that are in the same package that delivers the fiber are good for the body.
I think it's time we stopped beating this horse and buried it...it's long past dead.

Do dead horses have fiber?

However, many of us note that fiber DECREASES the "transit time". So, if this is true (and believe me, in some of us it IS), then fiber would NOT be beneficial, right???

Ok. Truce.

I also tend to substitute alcohol for carbs, but I don't think that makes me an alcoholic. If I drink every day, I gain weight, so I've been limiting it to dining out or with company, about twice a week. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if there are a lot of people who believe they are alcoholic but they are actually using it as a carb substitute.
You say that like it's a bad thing. I've been keeping my carbs at 20-30 grams (or less, on average) per day for a couple of years and it's just not a problem. Certainly my diet is much more rich and varied than it was before I started low-carbing. And I'm hardly unique in this regard.

I wonder if.....

A lot of these 'issues' have only become issues because we (as people) are being bombarded with information from sources official and capitalistic on our health all the time.

The constant barrage of information can be likened to propaganda. And I think we sometimes get sick of being told - this is healthy, this is not.

Right now we are witnesses historical nutritional hysteria in Motion. Trans fats. (whether they are bad or good) We are seeing the message of 'Get rid of trans fats at all costs!'. It's like they have been labelled 'bad', but this bad is irrational and emotional term that is used to scare the masses.

The masses aren't looking at pure scientific data, and draw tentative conclusions, whilst leaving their minds open to more data changing that conclusion.

There is just this general idea: "Everyone knows that da da d a...."

Whether it's fibre, trans fats, saturated fats. It's just a whole bunch of factional information warfare - fuelled by big business, and what big business owns - the government.

My fibre is healthy, or maybe it's really bad - all I know is that the Kelloggs company is promoting it as healthy.

I think it's healthy to question their conclusions, and our own conclusions.

I know I suffered incredible constipation on a low fat weight watchers diet. I had to introduce fibre.

I know when eating a high fat very low carb diet - my digestion has never been better. (Newbies have to allow an adjustment period)

That was my point: the preview does NOT "say it all." The idea is to examine more than one point of view objectively, not simply dismiss those you dislike. The author of that book presents a detailed (extremely detailed) explanation of how fiber affects the human body. Given that in the US at least, we are witnessing an epidemic of digestive diseases, IBS, and colon cancer, closing one's mind to the possibility that the "experts" have it wrong is counter-productive to say the least.

Remember the same thing happened with a high-fat, low-carb diet: everyone just "knew" it was wrong... until they educated themselves.

Does anyone have a colonoscopy of this dead horse?



Kind regards

Ditto. It has been 15 months since I have had more than 20g of carbs in a single day. I have never been more healthy or felt better or stronger. A person can stay in induction forever. A person does not have to add carbs back someday.

CindySue,
Do you think it may be due to EXISTING CONDITION? Like laxative abuse in the past that alone can stretch colon and weaken muscles, poor diet with very low fiber content, that again makes colon lazy, or other intestinal disorders? I don't think that it is all about "transit time". Everyone has it's own transit time and also it depends on other factors, independent from the diet. Benefits of fiber are beyond "waste management", so I would imagine that soluble fiber would be still beneficial since works like a sponge, excreting bile, cholesterol, and hormones that has done their work, and do not need to be reabsorbed.
Just a thought?