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Old Wed, Sep-29-10, 15:01
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I was a vegan for 18 months. I was in the WORST physical and mental health of my life during that time. Screw veganism!
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Is Almond milk bad? I have some unsweetened I need to drink and then I will switch to Half and Half or ?

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Raw milk still contains lactase, the enzyme needed for digesting lactose. It is destroyed in processing. Everybody tolerates raw milk.

Oh, and the calcium story : typical vampire myth. You can stab is 100 times and it keeps coming back. Research has SHOWN that people that eat a lot of meat don't have less calcium in their bones, compared to no-meat eaters.

Vit D - like stated above- and saturated fat (among other things) are needed for healthy bones.

Lactose (the unprocessed form) is actually very healthy for the intestinial flora. You could live an entire life on just raw milk (3 - 4 liters a day).
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Everybody tolerates raw milk.

There's more than just lactose in milk. A whole slew of proteins, like casein, that some people don't tolerate. Raw or not.
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There's more than just lactose in milk. A whole slew of proteins, like casein, that some people don't tolerate. Raw or not.


True. Although it doesn't contradict that, there is this quote that suggests some mitigation of it:

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Before the statutory pasteurization of dairy milk, intolerance to lactose and milk protein wasn’t as big an issue as it’s become today, because milk’s innate bacteria would assist in fermenting lactose and breaking down protein while the milk was still in the stomach or upper intestine—a process similar to yogurt-making. That’s why fermented dairy products, such as yogurt, buttermilk, kefir, and others don’t cause lactose intolerance or allergies as much (or at all) as regular pasteurized milk does.

http://www.gutsense.org/gutsense/flora.html


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Because raw milk was infested with all kinds of bacteria picked up from udders, unwashed hands, porous clay, or leather, natural fermentation was the only way of disinfecting and preserving dairy before the era of pasteurization and refrigeration.

After naturally-occurring fermentation, these beverages were bubbly, acidic, and slightly alcoholic. These qualities made them safe to drink for three reasons: (1) bacteria were killed by high acidity and alcohol; (2) lactose intolerance was eliminated because lactose was rendered out by fermentation; and (3) casein—a highly allergenic milk protein—was broken down by bacteria into easily digestible essential amino acids.



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