Um, you're kidding, right? The fat is in the egg yolks, the fat on the steak and whatever fat you use to cook it in, the chicken skin and dark meat, the cheese, and of course the butter. Go to MyPlan or fitday and data entry these foods and you'll see.

Also, if you use Dr. K's ON ratios of 1:3:0.8, that's going to give you ~79% fat. If you use Dr. K's HO ratios of 1:1.5:0.3, that's going to give you ~72% fat. So GT and Atkins fall right in the middle. Atkins characterized his plan as "high fat, not high protein".

If you want to avoid carbs compated to Induction, the OD is not the plan to do so, as carbs are generally higher than on Atkins Induction (Dr. K's strictest ratio puts carbs right at about 20 net, same as Induction). However, what's interesting about the OD is that with higher carbs, taken from the sources Dr. K mentions, people often have better control over their blood glucose than with higher protein and lower carbs. That does not, however, necessarily mean the "higher protein" is converting to carbohydrate.

Good luck.

i duno man. i have a hard time beliving that the fat on those foods is enough to make up for 75% of the diet, and depending on how much oil and cheese being used... yeah, i duno about that man. and it seems an awful lot o protein.

protein is insulinogenic if eaten in excess. this is what i am referring to.

also, atkins can say, or as you write, characterize, his plan as high fat and low protein, but it doesn't mean it is.

good luck to you too.

I wonder if you are kidding also. My Atkins book doesn't claim to be high fat/low protein. Maybe you are reading a different book!!
But....to each his own. I just would not like for a newby to be misled.

For most of the American LC WOEs, protein is protein is protein--not "high protein" and not "low protein". Atkins is not "low protein", nor is it "high protein". It is protein eaten to appetite, with the caveat that if your appetite-ostat is broken, you might need to watch it because excess protein can convert to glucose.

The Optimal Diet is definitely a "controlled protein" program. It is not a "low program" WOE. For example, for someone with my stats, the USDA recommends 46 g protein per day. Dr K. recommends 62-70 or so. Protein Power recommends at least 90.

heirloom10, I think you might want to re-read your Atkins book, because you seem confused as to what it really says. If it's not DANDR or DADR or NANY, you might want to see one of those to get a more accurate picture of what Atkins, especially induction, really is as a WOE.

DANDR = Dr. Atkins's New Diet REvolution
DADR = Dr. Atkins's Diet Revolution
NANY = New Atkins for a New You (not written by Atkins himself, but his colleagues; follows DANDR very well, but less technical).

Have you logged a few days worth of menus into one of the food logging programmes to see what percentages you are eating?
My PLAN on this forum (link at the top of the page) is one good one and there is a special forum here to help you negotiate it too.

I use MyPlan all the time. I find it terribly easy to get to 75% fat. Even when not making any effort to add fat to the diet it reaches 65% with no difficulty.

I noticed that too. One has to include lots of butter and cream and fatty meat.



Rich and creamy custard

Ingredients
4 fl oz (115 ml) of double cream
2 egg yolks
½ vanilla pod
(optional sweetener - I use fruit spread or coconut butter)
Method
Place the double cream into a saucepan with the vanilla seeds from the split vanilla pod. Heat over a medium heat until the cream is almost boiling.
Remove from the heat and set to one side.
Whisk the egg yolks in a small mixing bowl.
Pour the warm cream over the egg yolks, whilst stirring constantly.
Pour the mixture back into the saucepan and return to the heat.
Return to a medium heat, add the sweetener and continue to stir until the custard has thickened. Do not allow the custard to boil.
Serve warm.

That sounds delish!

Could someone help me figure out my ratios for this? I'm 5'-7.5" tall, female.

Thank you!

Well let's see - 5' 7.5" is 171 centimeters, rounded down. (inches * 2.54 centimeters per inch)

171 centimeters - 100 = 71. That is your "reference number," so

71 grams of protein per day.

carbs = .5 to .8 times protein
71 * (.5 to .8) = 35 to 56 grams of carbs per day (again rounding down)

for fat loss, fat = 1.5 to 2 times protein
71 * (1.5 to 2) = 106 to 142 grams fat

So,
71 grams protein,
35 to 56 grams carb,
106 to 142 grams fat

Seejay - Thank you! Do the numbers change month to month, or do they stay there?

For me they change according to what's going on in my life. Activity, sleep, time of year even.

In the books he talks about after you have lost the extra weight, you add more fat to maintain. Weird idea huh!

The protein pretty much stays the same. What I play with is the carbs and fat. I don't like going below 50 on the carbs and I'm 5'2". So that leaves fat to play with, mostly trying to balance being not hungry with eating enough to wipe out my fat loss (waah!)

Thank you! I have tried to figure this out in the past but was confused. Thank you again.

Lisa (awriter) has devised a new modified version of OD for faster weight loss. It's up to 800 cals of 50g fat/ 25g carbs/ and she's holding the protein ratio hostage, but I and a few others are doing it on our own by following what her participants are doing, with a little less than our OD protein ratio and it works beautifully. Never to exceed on the protein or carbs, but fats are a little more flexible.

For instance, I'm 5'4" and try to keep my protein under 65, but think 60g would be even better.

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I would not do a very low calorie diet for fear I would hurt my metabolism.