I'm down 3.2 lbs so far in the Jun challenge...pretty good for me. Feel way better back in DDF...I have started doing some tracking to see how the nutrients are. Not sure I'll ever get that part down...lol.

That's fantastic! I am attempting to do both programs again, so am just treading water. Happened the last time as well, by increasing nutrients I seem to eat more…not the point of the program! There are some intense Nutrient optimizers making green power drinks every morning, sun-bathing their mushrooms, and I just can’t get into that. So same weight, same fasting window for me, even though I have increased my protein over the previous NO program. If you use Cronometer, it gives a Nutrient Score, not optimized by calorie the way NO does it, but gives you a first cut at what to focus on using the RDI.

If anyone has purchased a Bio-Impedence scale for these DDF programs, or just because OCD , Marty has written a good explanation how they work.
https://optimisingnutrition.com/wha...-i-manage-them/

I have been complaining since Christmas that all my numbers are green, except Subcutaneous Fat. That yellow number is based on correlations from Dexas for people similar in weight, age, etc. But still..6 months and that number stayed yellow while all others were good and still slowly decreasing. So a shock this morning when I noticed ALL GREEN. Subcutaneous Fat slipped into the Standard Range! I know, silly for me to be excited by that, but it’s been months since a noticeable change. No complaints as I’m at a 23.3 BMI…but I took a screen shot and placed in June's DDF challenge page…proof it happened once. [The 1 pound difference between weight here and there is the difference in scales..didn’t buy the Renpho until November..wish I had now at the start of DDF]

Contrats Janet and Iceberg! I'll check out that scale article. I purchased the little Renpho, the body fat calculation seems to be just that, a calculation - not related to body composition changes IMO - to test, drink 2 L of water and see how "fat" you get - actually I have not tried that - I'll do it right now since I'm thirsty.

I bought a scale for the May DDF challenge...no recommendations at the time so I didn't get the Rhenpro...it tells me I'm 80 years old...and my fat is still the same.

Since 26 Jan, I've lost 23 pounds...the last about 11 on DDF challenges. I was on an Ideal Protein Alternative for a couple months, but it just wasn't a sustainable way of life for me. I'm sticking with DDF until all this weight is gone and probably will skip the next NO. I need to concentrate on the weight loss for now. I lost a couple weeks just struggling with NO...

So I figure the NO after the next one I might be mentally able to follow along and be in onederland by then...d

Whoa, 23 pounds in 5 months! I’d stick with DDF too. That's great.

I continue to follow some of the basic NO food advice…first meal of day, more protein. Bacon and eggs is no longer on my menu. First focus on seafood…high protein and satiety per calorie. If I get in a rut using leftover rotisserie chicken, I have a small serving of liver Pate. Answer for me when the NO score is low, add liver, canned salmon or mackerel and green salad. Almost anything on Ted Naiman's Low Energy template works. https://www.lowenergydiet.com/

Marty is launching a Podcast show now…a terrific new podcast to add to your library: Optimising Nutrition with Marty Kendall

Only three episodes posted at the moment but he has another two dozen or so recorded on different video platforms that will be available as podcasts soon. Subscribe now to hear them all.
Link to Luis Villasenor interview and subscribe button: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podca...i=1000525863136.

My favorite interview with Ted Naiman and Marty if you want to watch it now as a video: https://youtu.be/ilduzDTFUlQ

Thanks, Janet. Signed up and looking forward.

Last week for me to sprint below my lowest weight. Still hanging around a perfectly fine number but losing another .2 of a pound would be a nice conclusion to these two programs. Not asking for much I have some glitch (I think) in NO/Cronometer syncing but other than that, moving along , eating more fish than I ever have in my life

I'm trying to incorporate fish into my diet once a week as well as organ meats - Terrific progress Janet!

Another DDF challenge in the books, let's say I am in a consolidation phase. Officially I lost 1.6 pounds and retained the "Green Sub-cutaneous fat” so calling that a teeny tiny win. Of course it has really been bouncing around but at a 23.3 BMI, that's fine. Unexpectedly I spent a very long day at the hospital as my DH had post operative problems following a "simple" surgery. I learned I really do not do well with OMAD plus stress and disturbed sleep. The last four days of Nutritional Optimisation also went out the window, but I can keep my ON score in the high 80s, low 90s, without going to the extreme lengths of green drinks, etc. but I do include whey protein and other items considered supplements.

I lost 5.7 lbs in DDF 2. Down 1 lb in DDF 3. Want to see wonderland by mid September...I seem to lose on this plan and will continue until I reach goal. I'm thinking of doing the next NO in August. Time will tell. I want to continue to lose, so maybe I should weight until the next one...d

That's great. Since I don’t know your FB name, I don’t know if you post on the challenge group. We are trying to slow down things so "no newbies are left behind". It is helpful to re-read each daily post and take it slow. I decided to not take waking BG this time…only get frustrated by the readings in the 100-105, when I know my body is only doing what it is supposed to get me up. Continue to fix the dinner meal time and wait for trigger for lunch which is high protein forward. My always slim DH was told by his doctor to regain the recent weight loss…so I'm making potatoes, Mac n cheese, and brownies while trying to lose weight usually my lunch is a big vegetable stir-fry with turkey or fish which is satiating so the brownies do not call my name. I never came up with 30 meals from the NO Masterclass, or stopped using protein powders, but enough choices to know a few that work for me. Definitely worth while to do the Masterclass for nutrition at least once.

I like fish so I'm good there, but the organ meats was a puzzle until I discovered good liverwurst.

Fish is brilliant for high-protein weight loss. I bought Costco mahi-mahi (dolphinfish) thought one filet seemed a bit heavy so pulled out the food scale...8 oz had 54 grams of protein, before salad or anything else. Canned salmon is even easier to have anytime in a quick stir-fry or salad.