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Old Wed, Feb-27-08, 08:00
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I've spent a lot of time in areas with coyotes, that behaviour seems very un-coyote like. It probably sounds good to the kinds of people who want to believe in the spirit-catcher hanging from their rear-view; and it's not necessarily impossible; but it don't ring true.

LOL, yeah, that was my thought exactly.

However, some people think I'm a quack because I choose to try herbs before conventional medicines. I suppose it's a relative thing.
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Old Wed, Feb-27-08, 09:12
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All that being said, it doesn't mean his diet isn't sound; 'course it also doesn't seem like I should need to pay anyone anything to learn how to not cook my food.


Right, I try to look at the message and not the messenger. Sometimes the state of the messenger can tell you things though (that is, assuming he follows his own diet).
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Old Wed, Feb-27-08, 09:30
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Thanks! I've seen the pictures of him that commonly come up on google though. I want to see what he's like in real life. I don't really think that pictures capture people very well...you can't see them in action, you are missing their personal energy.

I periodically get really interested in reading about raw foods and he always come up since he's just about the only raw omni around, so I wanted to get a gander in person to see how it's working for him.

I think Patrick Stewart and Sean Connery are good looking old men, maybe we should eat what they eat.
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Old Fri, Feb-29-08, 22:14
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I was googling around and found an AV skeptics group but some of the things they say he claims, sound pretty out there. For example he claims to eat 6-12 pounds of honey a month! I found another link that supports this and has him recommending up to a cup of honey a day. Can anyone who's read his books confirm this?

The health claims are interesting as well, I found this link which points out:

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For example, he claims that he has helped heal over 200 people of
cancer with his approach. He has said this *publicly* in print. And
yet he refuses to provide *any* evidence of these cases. And to the
best of my knowledge, no one has come forward testifying that they
were one of the folks healed by AV.

The same goes for his own diseases that he claims to have overcome.
They are numerous and quite serious. Surely there is a record
somewhere that he had some of these challenges. Yet nothing, as far as
I know, has been put forth by AV. Such an approach makes it very
difficult to go to bat for him.
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Old Sat, Mar-01-08, 07:58
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he does recommend quite a bit of honey.... which i have to disagree on.
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Old Sat, Mar-01-08, 16:05
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I've read lots of AV's material, as well as much of the information from the "naysayers" at AV Skeptics.

His idea about parasites being beneficial fascinates me, although his proof for such a statement seems to come from anecdotal and/or seemingly irrelevant evidence -- which I have trouble buying into. The study about parasitic worms being helpful for IBD, for example, does not necessarily mean that every parasite out there would be as helpful. What about trichinosis, which causes brain damage? And what about animals and humans that die from parasitic infestations?

I suppose AV's response would be that these animals and humans were also malnourished when they died from the infestation, which is probably true. Eating pounds of raw meat would theoretically (according to AV) prevent the parasite from becoming overwhelming and fatal. I know that many tribal cultures live with parasites and appear to remain healthy. However, whether or not they have less serious conditions from the parasites would be interesting to know (chronic diarrhea, IBS, or a general malaise -- all annoying conditions that won't kill you, but are not fun to have nonetheless).

Maybe the answer lays somewhere in the middle. Some parasites are beneficial. Some aren't. But to say without conclusive evidence that ALL parasites are beneficial could potenially endanger AV's readers.

The reason I'm interested in this is because I've had IBS-like problems for years and found out recently that I have blastocystis hominis, a common parasite in folks with digestive problems. So do I eliminate it or put up with my IBS (which may not even be from the parasite) hoping that it will end up being beneficial in the long run?

Oh, vey, the contradictions!!
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Old Sat, Mar-08-08, 14:54
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So, did anyone go?
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Old Sat, Mar-08-08, 15:09
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No, I've had the plague (aka flu).
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Old Sat, Mar-08-08, 15:44
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No, I've had the plague (aka flu).



Sorry to hear that, may it pass quickly.
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