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Old Sun, Oct-27-19, 06:36
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Plan: P:E/DDF
Stats: 225/150/169 Female 5' 9"
BF:45%/28%/25%
Progress: 134%
Location: NC
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Originally Posted by Ms Arielle
Dar, in case you dont know, Westmann's program is a stricter vertion of DANDR. Perhaps DANDR will serve your needs.
Or the New Atkins for a New You. that's how I started until I met him in 2010 and later joined the clinic as a patient. But you have already used DANDR and CAD for some years without success. Yes, our bodies are all different, but some people are carbohydrate intolerant/IR, and cannot handle carbs. They are the ones who need the clinic diet and that FB is military about page 4, because that is what Dr. Atkins, and now Dr. Westman, used in the Clinics with real Patients. Dr. Atkins may have written books for the general public with "ladders" and longer allowed food lists, but to be certain that the diet worked for the sickest of patients who paid to see him, he and Jackie kept them on a stricter version of induction. Page 4 is a distillation of what they used in the clinic.

Dr. Westman's wait room was eye opening. Missing limbs, people waiting for heart transplants, people confined to wheelchairs, morbid obesity, about half his patients are referred from social services. Getting to a healthy goal weight is not optional, the woman who posted last night is an example.

When the FB group was set up back when, we agreed the answers would be the same as Dr. Westman would give in the monthly in-person support group or in his office. All the admins are former patients. There is no waffling on nuts or nut flours (or chaffling of late ) No recipes not fully compliant. If you are not bothered by the sweet taste and sugar in bottled dressings, if it doesn't trigger cravings in you, feel free to use it. But the answers given on FB will follow the clinic rules which is backed up by 50 years of combined experience with clinic patients. Sugar-laden dressings often lead to carb cravings and a cycle of weight regain. There is a reason for these guidelines: "Effective carbohydrate count of meat or condiments should be 1 gram or less.
• Also check the ingredient list. Avoid foods that have any form of sugar or starch listed in the first 5 ingredients."

The IRL group moderator has a great YouTube channel that explains the keto diet. She has a new playlist on YouTube of 15 videos of super simple meals she and her husband eat. Nothing "processed" but she buys the packets of aspargus at Costco that take 3 minutes to microwave. Add piece of meat (cook everything in one cast iron skillet), 1T olive oil and salt on salad, and you have a filling nutrient dense meal in a few minutes. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCr...YlZ9oOs5EoI7CFA
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