i order bagels from the low carb emporium. they claim to be 2.5 ecc per bagel. i think they are wonderful! i ordered some from todd's bagels once and gave them ALL away! and i think everyone hated them as much as i did. i never give away my other ones...ok, i do give away one every now and then for people who want a sample. they come in spinach, sicilian, cinnamon raisin, poppyseed, sesame and even one or two other flavors. yummy! i usually use mine for lunch or dinner with tuna salad! (not the cinnamon raisin ones!)