Breast cancer: Eating less fat cuts risk by a fifth, study shows
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/...shows-cs8r2qr6p |
Breast cancer runs on my maternal side. All of the women are/were either overweight or obese and sedentary.
My mil is a survivor and she's thin and eats a fairly balanced diet. We spend a lot of time together, eat together frequently, and she eats veggies, locally raised meats, small amounts of dairy, they raise their own eggs etc. She's also active, doesn't drink at all, doesn't smoke etc. Her 'healthy' eating habits and lifestyle didn't mean anything, she still got cancer. There's also no family history for her, it was a total fluke. I know the odds are stacked against me with my family history. But, they were stacked against me too for getting type 2 diabetes, and I'm the only one in my family who's reversed the progression of prediabetes. I'm also the only one in my family who's maintained a large weight loss long term, (my younger sister, a WW follower, is a couple years behind me in maintenance, is doing really well as well). Cancer sucks. We can try and stack the odds in our favor to try to prevent it, but really there's only so much we can do. My husband's grandfather has lung cancer-he's never smoked. That's life :rolleyes: |
That one in nine women will get cancer in their lifetime is junk science. The fact is that they are counting women in their nineties who have some sort of cancer. Women who live into their nineties are few and far between and the fact that a few show cancer after a long long life (mostly eating junk diets) is not news - it's BULL/NEWS.
Scare tactics work very well. Many women I know in their 60s and 70s will not give up their high carb diets because they are afraid of cancer even though they are vastly overweight, and many are TII diabetics. |
Every one I've known who had breast cancer ate a low fat diet, with very little meat, high in fruits, veggies, and whole grains. Fluke? Perhaps.
I'm not going to subscribe just to read the entire article, so if someone has access to the actual data involved in this study, it'd be nice to know if the study actually shows a true 20% decrease, or if they used fuzzy-math to manipulate the numbers and make it look like a statistically insignificant difference is of such great significance. |
My grand mother AND her sister died of breast cancer. BOTH rail thin. TALL women and truely thin and trim. THink Dutch!
My mother developed breast cancer too. Only she was about ten years older than the age her mother died. Sorry I dont know the age of onset for my grandmother-- I was rather young. I do remember her younger sister--- dying 6 years later. Clearly the mechanism of cancer was not known and not beatable THEN. Why did my mother develop it so late? SHe was fat-- some 30 pounds over weight, ate great foods including having a garden every year and eating good foods year around, and worshipping the sun thru the 60's and 70's, and lots of sun in the summer. BUT NOT in the MAINE winter. She has had breast cancer twice. I hate reports like this-- my fear level soars, causing coritsols to race and that is detrimental. Then I look at the info, and its rather NOT helpful. Where is fasting, where is the detail on actual amounts eaten, how was the data collected? Eating more FRESH vegies is a good thing IMHO; and limiting foods that are charred ie BBQ is a good thing; avoiding nitrate added foods is a good thing IMHO. ( FInding no nitrated added bacon is very easy now.!!! ) Too many reports and doctors dont understand how cancer develops and works. This report does more damage than good IMHO. |
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WaPo: https://www.washingtonpost.com/heal...m=.ee38416e7017 Quote:
NBC: https://www.nbcnews.com/health/wome...-study-n1005381 CBS: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/low-fa...er-study-finds/ Quote:
However, don't let that stop mainstream media from creating scary headlines. |
I'm with DaisyDawn - I think a lot of cancers are genetic. On the opposite end of the spectrum, my husband's aunt lived to be 98 and smoked at least a pack a day until she was 93 when she had to give it up because she just couldn't afford it anymore. All her possessions, including the clothes we buried her in, reeked of tobacco though she hadn't had a puff in 5 years.
Two remarkable things about her diet - she drank coffee from the minute she woke up until her head hit the pillow. And, she had meat at every single meal of the day. During her 90's when she lived with us, she'd usually have bacon for breakfast, but sometimes scrapple or sausage, and for lunch and dinner, she usually ate microwavable chicken nuggets (dinosaur shaped), sometimes with a side of "potatoes" (i.e. french fries). |
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They just told one group to lower their fat intake and then it's not clear. Maybe they collected some data via food recall questionnaires at some unstated frequency. They told the other group to just keep on doing whatever. Were data collected on what they were eating at the start? We're they required to keep eating exactly that way for the next 20 years? Or is it possible many in the "no change" group did gradually change their diets to follow popular low-fat eating styles, like the food pyramid. Is it possible that by cutting fat overall that the "low fat" group also managed to reduce their intake of seed oils significantly and that's really the differential, not saturated fat? I hate these studies. They really don't provide any solid information and seem like such a waste of money. |
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Right, exactly. This is not some gold standard randomized control study. It's just garbage masquerading as science with its minimal so-called results fluffed up to make them seem important when they really tell us nothing of value. We really need to see the whole study and then I am sure it could be torn to shreds. |
I hate these scare tactics too. Here's what they do: create a crisis, then sell people something to solve it.
Scare gullible women enough and they will help pump up Weight Watchers stock again. |
Sounds like biased statistical reporting for an agenda to me.
Cancer feeds on sugar. What do they do to find out if you have cancer? Put some markers into sugar and find out where the sugar goes. It goes straight for the cancer. Mark Twain said there are three kinds of lies: Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics. Unless everything those women ate, every bit of exercise the did, what they wore, what they drank, what they weighed, how much air pollution they breathed, what they put on their skin, what they put in their laundry, what material is in their clothes (especially bras I guess), what their genetic markers were, and everything else about their lives were included, you cannot be sure of your results. The statistics can be manipulated to say whatever you want them to say. Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics. Bob |
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Exactly. Just look at the actual data for the holy-grail of all life-saving medications: STATINS. The ads make it sound like the effectiveness of these meds is so amazing that you'd be crazy not to beg to take them for the rest of your life. But here's what the actual data showed, as opposed to the claims that were made about the effectiveness of Lipitor and Crestor: Quote:
My guess is that even IF they can somehow prove the two groups of women ate exactly as they were advised for the entirety of the 20 years of the study (as well as accounting for every other possible variable, as Bob mentioned), only managing to come up with a 20% better outcome for the more fruit group most likely means that the data will show the actual difference between the two groups was around 0.5%. |
My own version of junk science is looking at my family. One aunt smoked heavily for years - perfect health until she died in her late 80s. In spite of many family members being overweight or obese (except the aunt who smoked), my dad & I were the only ones to end up with t2 diabetes. There have been different cancers: lung cancer in an uncle who didn't smoke, breast cancer in one aunt, mom had liver cancer tho she never drank & a couple of others I can't recall.
I've pretty much decided that cancer is random. So I'll just do the best I can to stay reasonably healthy & hope for the best. :sunny: |
Dr. Bret Scher wrote the analysis for DietDoctor:
https://www.dietdoctor.com/does-a-l...t-cancer-deaths Does a low-fat diet reduce breast cancer deaths? Quote:
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