atkis vs south beach
What is the difference? I'm so confused on that. I'm on atkins right now, but does south beach work better?
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You do need to read the South Beach book to get a real understanding of how it works!! :idea:
Its basically a low glycemic index food plan. Here are some of my thoughts: we don't count carbs...we don't eat high fat protein or dairy while we do eat lots of fish and poultry and very lean red meat....we eat lots and lots of veggies...we are not a low carb as we are a good carb food plan......and last but not least...this aint no diet!! its a way of eating for the rest of our lives!! :D Click on the link in my signature to see the food lists and meal plan charts. Good luck! :D |
Hi ! :wave:
You're confused ????? me too :confused: I asked one of my friends ( who has been on every diet invented ) and she totally baffled me. Something about if you have a target area for losing weight i.e 'Waist' you eat certain foods for that area and mentioning something about wild berries and wild hog or something ( only joking about the last comment but it was beginning to sound like it by the time she had finished I was completely cabbaged :bash: I would stick on Atkins if I were you sweetie ! |
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Thanks for sharing your South Beach experience!! Your friend sounds like she's a bit confused too!! :lol: |
No dairy? I thought we could have yogurt and cottage cheese.
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No I think judy meant not high fat dairy.
I have changed over (with Judy's assistance) and it's been an easy transistion, and it seemed really daunting at first. I can only talk from experience but I have changed from atkins to SB and lost 13lbs in a month. Obviously your milage may vary!! If you're interested then like judy says you should look at the link in her signature, it's a really good simple way to understand what you can have on SB. |
we can!!! just go to the food link on the bottom of judys signature,or get a south beach book and read it.as for the other person said ,she has this diet confused with another plan. we can eat low fat cottage cheese, and fat free plain yougurt that you can add a lil bit of vannilla and slpenda to make it very good.
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I started losing when I switched from Atkins to SB, too. I was surprised because I felt like I was eating more and cheating! :D
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Yes! That is exactly what I meant!! :agree: Thanks for clarifying that Hazel!! |
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As an Atkins advocate, I must respond. We count carbs (especially in the induction phase) as they are evil and wicked and lead to much disorder within the body. We, like the heathen South Beachers, eat lots and lots of veggies. We eat high fat and good tasting meats such as fish and poultry, along with steaks and chops. We eat high fat dairy such as good tasting cheeses and butter. We shun items labeled low-fat or with trans-fats in them. In reality, both eating plans result in healthier bodies and reduced chances of being overweight. It all depends upon which one you can live with for the rest of your life. I prefer Atkins because I have had great results with it and can eat foods that I enjoy. |
Thanks for your rundown Mike.
We are not here to debate which plan is better. This is not a debate forum but a support forum. If we wanted to debate this, which we don't, we'd take this to the War Zone. When members come in here and ask us Atkins vs South Beach, I think it is up to the original oster of the thread to make their own choice. We are not trying to swy opinion or sell this plan. We are trying to explain the differences. Many atkins users do not go beyond induction and stay at 20 carbs a day and they do stop losign weight. Many are afraid to to go the OWL phase of atkins because they are afraid of adding good carbs back into their food plan. This is a mistake!! From what I've seen, those who are successful on Atkins do move into the OWL phase and do add carbs back into their plan. I went to Atkins Nutritionals site to read about OWL phase to try to understand why there was so much fear and confusion around adding carbs back. What I came away with was seeing how hard and scary it is to move into this phase according to the formula that they tell you to use. One of the things that makes this plan work for me is the ease that I moved inot phase II of this plan. They make it easy to learn which carbs work and which don't for our individual bodies. I find myslef meeting many here that I encourage to move inot OWL phase because they have stopped losing...I don't try to get them to come over to the heathens!! :D :lol: Thanks for your point of view!! |
Well, for my WOE/WOL, I definitely, 100% prefer the South Beach WOE than the Atkins. YES, I have been on the Atkins several years ago and lost weight fast, but put it back on and then some because I could not stick to that WOE. It really is a preference in which way you want to lose the weight. I appreciate learning about good carbs, bad carbs and good fats, bad fats. Hey, and I got my little period after 10 years of being annovulatory/infertile, so that has to say something about the plan for me personally. I never got my period with the Atkins. With that said, I am so, so happy.
My dh is so happy for me and very supportive (always has been) that because of my results, he is recommending this WOE to his patients. He's seen first-hand how it works and what health benefits result from it. You really do, do, do need to read the book. In fact, read both books and see what way of eating would best suit you. I'm not against the Atkins if that is the way you want to go, but for me personally prefer the good carbs & good fats WOE/WOL. I feel that I can always stick to this WOE for life. That's important to me. Best wishes on making a decision! Plumtired :) (who has lost 19 pounds since 5/20/05 on South Beach) |
I counted carbs at first, but after getting used to understanding which veggies were good carbs and bad carbs, well it has been super easy to follow! And, the weight has come off easily enough. I don't track which level of the ladder I should be on, but do listen to my body and of course don't eat sugar and flour. You should definitely educate yourself on which plan is best for you...while I don't proclaim to be an expert on South Beach, I am also not an expert on Atkins. I just know when I ate low cal/low fat...well I was always hungry and while I did lose weight eating that way, I was miserable! Now, on Atkins I don't get hungry...ever and am now 157 pounds down and 10 to go. Research each eating style and pick the plan that suits you as an individual. Don't take our words or experiences...find out for yourself. Obviously, both plans work.
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MissScruff, well said. I feel the exact same way as you! ;)
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this is not the war zone. like they said .i find this site a huge support of my CHOICE of woe.i come here to talk to other people who are making positive changes in thier personal health and mental well being,to make friends and see if i can offer my friendship and encouragement. allllll i have to say to any one trying to make a choice is read both BOOKS. not just listen to what you hear from other people.differnt things work for differnt people.
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Since Dodger stated that both plans work, I took his heathen comment as an attempt at humor.
Just my opinion. |
Yes, it was Dodger's dry attempt at humor! I thought it was funny!! ;)
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Thanks!
I agree that Dodger's comment was tongue-in-cheek (is tongue low carb? :lol: ). I also appreciate Judy's in-depth and helpful explanation of the SB plan (I've read some of her other threads).
I am on Atkins and have been stalled for seven months. I am still happy with Atkins, however, because losing slowly beats gaining at any speed!!!! I did come over here just to check out the SB plan (I've read the books for both plans and am very familiar with the concepts). Because of the stall, I thought I might want to try SB since both plans are solid and DO work. I agree, however, that you have to decide which plan is right for YOU. While I don't mind counting carbs, for me personally, I don't want to have to count fat. I loathe low-fat food and I know that the lower-fat aspect of SB is the one factor that would derail any success I may have - after all, it's something I want to be able to live with as a lifestyle. Even with the stall on Atkins, I am still maintaining, and I'm not discouraged - I eat what I love, which is higher fat low carb. I've never had a sweet tooth, so kicking the sweets was easy: it's the fat I love!!!! However, I know several people who don't like high-fat and have had FANTASTIC success on SB!!!! :cool: YMMV. So, in my long-winded, rambling way, I am just supporting the fact that BOTH plans work, but since both plans are NOT diets but (hopefully) WOL's, you need to read both books and decide on a personal level which plan YOU are most likely to stick to. Good luck to all! |
This was written by Its The Wooo from another thread. Its a brilliant explanation of the difference between the 2 plans!!
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I read that and was impressed with the writing of it. I'm going to print that up. Thanks Judy for bringing it over here.
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i agree with you guys the wooo did very good !! i thought that too.i was inpressed.
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South Beach means I can have a slice of rye toast for breakfast and not eat cream, without feeling that I am cheating.
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WOW! That was INCREDIBLY helpful! Thank you for sharing this!! Also, if there is anyone here on SB and looking for some support...I could use some as well. :o) |
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HI! :wave: I'm glad you found this. It is really good. While I used South Beach for my initial weight loss, I learned how to modify to make it work better for me. If you need any help, come look for me in my journal. :agree: Good Luck! :thup: |
I think JudyNYC summed it up well, a good carbs (low glycemic carbs) WOE rather than a strict LC WOE. Included is a small amount of fruit or grain.
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I have always found the GI problematic as it did not take into consideration amount. Glycemic Load helped me more as I could see how a food rated as low GI could actually be very high GL. Atkins has always incorporated GL (particularly the new Westman et al AFANY) in the program. Foundation vegetables in Induction are both low GI and low GL. The carb ladder emphasizes low GL.
For me, since I am very carb sensitive, I could not follow SB. Too many carbs, too early in weight loss. The last phase is going back to the way you were eating when you gained all your weight. Atkins, on the other hand, is a program of self discovery for you to find out for yourself what foods are a no-no for you personally. It is not a program of fats until maintenance. Whoever wrote that is not that familiar with Atkins. The last stage is eating the foods and in their quantities that will keep you from regaining any weight. It is not about going back to what you did to gain weight. For me, I found SB more hype than science. More about pleasing the consumer than helping them to discover their own issues. This, of course, is just my own opinion. The program does work for some, especially those that are not carb-sensetive and is very popular. |
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"To each his own." Good for you that you've found a way to eat that works for you. I tailored South Beach to suit my needs and made it work for me. :D |
I tried Atkins 14 years ago, lost 10lbs in a week, and stopped out of fear from all the stupid media misinformation surrounding it.
10 years later, fatter and in ill-health, I went to SB. I tailored it twice to work for me. Once, at the very beginning, I eliminated all grains and sugar except a few berries. That way I didn't even have to think about carbohydrates, because the only ones I was getting were green and leafy and harmless. Later, having lost all my weight, I tweaked it again to change from low fat products (like yogurt and cheese) to full fat. I did that because by then I had learned that extra sugar and chemicals are usually substituted for fat in low fat products and, for the first time in my life, I had become interested in eating for optimal health and not just to be slim. That eventually lead toward a lc paleo/primal w.o.e. that seems to be a perfect fit for me, so far. So IMO it's all good. If one method doesn't work, try another. And another. There are plenty of choices now. Just keep your eye on the prize: stable blood sugar, weight loss, and a w.o.e. you are happy to maintain for the rest of your life. |
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We all have our preferences on what works best for us. Atkins is definitely a high fat diet compared to SB. Some people do not do well on Atkins as what the program is trying to do is get our bodies to switch to 'fat burning' machines rather than 'carb burning' machines. This just doesn't work for some and they do very well just reducing carbs and fat. SB is a low fat diet which works well for many people. If SB works for you--great! Stick with it. Do you own experimentation. Atkins works best for people who have trouble with carbs (carbohydrate intolerance). I have friends who eat anything they want, in any amount, and never gain or lose a pound year in and year out. Others can't. So try the different approaches and find what works for you. Good luck. |
I'm trying something new...South Beach Diet Super Charged!
Anyone have any thoughts on this? I think the concept is the same as the original South Beach, but adding in weight training and cardio to increase initial weight loss. I need a kick in the butt! I have been losing and gaining the same 10 or 20 pounds over and over and over..... |
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