Fat lies & bad science: The truth behind the headlines
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https://www.veganfoodandliving.com/...-the-headlines/ |
I don't have the stomach to read the whole article. I only skimmed it but I will point out two things that should give anyone pause about potential bias of the author. She refers to Dr Zoe Harcombe as just Zoe Harcombe and quotes a so-called expert who refers to Dr Zoe Harcombe as Mrs Harcombe. Who say Mrs nowadays? This is a smear job, plain and simple. Describing Dr Harcombe a someone who runs a diet club and publishes books without mentioning her PhD does her a distinct injustice.
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Major studies don't show it's safe to "gorge" on anything. They do suggest that it's safe to eat butter. Now we need to establish where gorging starts. I eat a half liter of heavy cream, plus an ounce or two of butter for cooking eggs etc. a day. I'm in maintenance, and doing quite well in a lot of ways on this diet. "Gorge" is not a health term, it's a moralistic one. If you want to judge my moral character, you have bigger fish to fry. :D
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That's right, public policies generally do not require the sort of evidence that actually proves anything. This might not mean they should be removed, except perhaps from my consideration when I'm deciding what to eat. Sometimes it's said that randomized control studies in humans are impractical, because they're unethical. I think there's a big reason--even if you accept correlations between eggs or red meat or saturated fat and various disease as causativie--and causative in the right direction--even after that assumption, the effect size is often so small that a randomized, controlled study is prohibitively expensive. Even in mice, you often have to cheat and design a mouse where a particular dietary intervention has a strong enough effect to measure in a reasonable sized group. |
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Great observation Teaser. Gorge is a moralistic term not a health term. I would also suggest, just to be fair, that "clean" is also a moralistic term not a health term (I'm not accusing you of using that term Teaser). I find the term "clean" when it is applied to eating offensive because of this moralistic tone. I wish we could just stick to issues of health and not moralistic assumptions when discussing diet. |
Interesting how they referenced Aseem Malhotra in the vested interests section of the article without even offering what his supposed vested interests are. Perhaps they were going to mention his book The Pioppi Diet, until they discovered that he doesn't actually collect any profits from it.
And of course, it's not like the noses of critics like Walter Willett and David Katz are completely clean, either. How does that old saying go? "Always accuse your opponent of that for which you yourself are guilty"? |
Willett fiddles while the ADA opens the door to include low carb as a healthy option to manage diabetes. Now, they didn't specify vegan low carb, did they Walt? There's a reason for that.
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Hardly gloating here, Bev. Not my nature. However, what I am noting is the start of recognition that one diet type does not suit all. While other methods are mentioned, I strongly believe we do best in choosing the one that results in overall good health. My objection is with those who believe in a single protocol while publicly supporting their rationale with inaccurate, unsubstantiated claims. These folks influence others with scare tactics and limited views. I find this worse than intolerable.
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I just saw this somewhere and went WAIT, WHAT?!
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This is quite an article. A ton of info. Mostly all bad news lol. Have not read it all (if I ever will) but thought I should link it here.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/...2616033285.html PJ |
At least they didn't call her Mrs. Andrew Harcombe.
Miss/Mrs/Ms Butler (she calls herself Dr./PhD) is upset that Dr. Harcombe did not reveal that she made money off of books on fat, but Butler herself makes money off of vegans and is clearly biased in that direction. I just finished "Nutrition in Crisis: Flawed Studies, Misleading Advice, and the Real Science of Human Metabolism" (2019) by Dr. Richard David Feinman. It is a much better read. |
I plan to keep eating my beef fat.
The obvious bias thruout the article turned me off. Couldnt waste my time reading more than first paragraphs then skimming the remainder. |
A vegan who has only worked for a vegan organization writes an anti-animal fat article for that vegan organization. Shocking!
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Read thru a bit, definitely fit in with original posting by OP. Instead of trying to understand the information, just vilifies instead. Points to all the ways a keto diet could fail-- which it can. Too much energy even via fat will cause weight gain. ANd no community has ever lived off fat? Ummm, the Inuits traditional ate meats and fat. Just a poor article. |
Yeah, I should have been more specific, it was not the link I provided that was itself the focus, but the stuff that was linked to ON that thread and the articles it references.
So really... Gary Taubes? What does Gary say lately? Is he really dissing fat? The man spent four years researching mostly a century of science related to fat and carbohydrates, reading research, interviewing experts, and now he's changed his mind? Allegedly the nusci group founded a study to demonstrate the carbohydrate problem and the study showed the opposite. This is the gossip I'm picking up from around the web. Has anybody actually seen Taubes comment on these things clearly? Not, mind you, that I am going to start eating rancid seed oil instead of grassfed butter and coconut oil. Sorry guys, if this is gonna kill me, I'm gonna die even sooner I guess. I mean... it's like I'm all outta food I can eat that someone doesn't think is gonna kill me. But not eating at all would kill me... eventually. So... ? I'm just curious because of names like nusci and Taubes being mentioned, I give those a lot of credence. Well and I read the book by the researcher dude (fasting mimicking diet dude, 'longevity diet' is the book) who basically says that as well -- that sat fat is just horrible for you. I can't figure it out. I thought that a lot of that was bad science but modern science had "learned better." But now... what, it unlearned? PJ |
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