Um. Yeah. It's good as long as you didn't get it from red meat
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releas...81106073239.htm
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When they thought TMAO contributed to heart disease, they warned against eating red meat, I s&%^ you not. Quote:
https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih...es-gut-microbes But now they got the opposite response from the one expected in this rat study--so instead of avoiding red meat and eggs in fear of excessively high TMAO levels driving heart disease, we should avoid red meat and eggs in favour of foods that will drive TMAO higher. Because, like, low levels of TMAO due to a diet high in red meat and eggs must be driving heart disease. I don't know if I should LMAO or break all my furniture to try and let off some steam. :) They feel like they already know what everybody should be eating--so no harm in making recommendations before all the data is in, right? Problem is, all the data is what's needed to verify or disprove what they already think they know from associations that can't actually prove causation. |
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Drawing conclusions not in evidence. Study showed decrease in rat already compromised with heart issues. There is nothing about prevention in this study. If I too could draw conclusions, I would bet the solvent- extract seed oils are a problem; and the effects of high heat like frying on those oils. As for the beef-- And if it linked to beef, then I would want to see grass fed versus grain fed in the study. There was no beef in the above study. ( or did I miss that?) |
I don't think there's any reason that the imaginary connection given here between beef and heart disease is stronger with grain-fed than with grass-fed. But maybe if we just believe hard enough, Tinkerbell will come back to life.
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The ratio in omega 3: omega 6 is radically different between grass fed and grain fed. Otherwise I wont think red meat like beef has much to do with heart disease UNTIL there is a good study that proves otherwise. From the sources I have read so far, there is no connection ( beef and heart disease) , going back to before the cattle were grain finished.
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Ratio is radically different. Actual amount of omega 6 is tiny. I wouldn't condemn any other fat for having very low levels of omega 6, and also not much omega 3, so I don't see a reason to condemn fat from grain fed beef. I'd just go somewhere else for my omega 3's. :)
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I'd usually laugh at the claims of this "study," but it's hard to muster anything regarding "science" with such a blatant bias.
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https://www.sciencedaily.com/releas...81211084948.htm
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I wonder how the scientists who think we should avoid red meat and eat fish in order to increase TMAO levels, and those who think we should avoid red meat in order to decrease TMAO levels, feel about each other? :lol: For the nonce, probably the best approach is to nod off anytime anybody mentions TMAO. |
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And these studies are funded based on what rationale??? The bias against red meat is one thing these groups have in common, and the purported smoking gun, TMAO, is increased where in one case, that's a good thing, and in the other, it's a bad thing. Ok, I get it . . . Nothing to see here . . . please keep moving . . . |
Hazen, I remember that idjit. He's an idjit. He did something similar a while ago, we discussed it, too lazy to look for it, whatever. It went something like this. Make a few people eat a single meal containing some meat. Check their crap for TMAO. Put TMAO (not the same, this one lab grown) in a petri dish with living cells. Check stuff. Do math and statistics. Conclude: Meat bad cuz TMAO. Write paper, publish, get pat in the back, boost ego, etc. Not enough. Next, call Gina and tell her to write something quick (she didn't, she already had something prepared for this, cuz of what came next). Next, within literally a couple hours of publication of the paper, an article by Gina is published, and wiki gets a page about TMAO, Hazen, his paper, and Gina's hours old (actually more likely months old, cuz dude, this crap is prepared, not thought up in the mere hours it took to do it all everywhere all at once) article.
Hazen, Gina, yeah, idjits. So, Ima say meat good cuz all-meat trial and personal experience, and TMAO ignore cuz idjits Hazen Gina. |
Fresh health warnings issued over controversial paleo diet after heart disease link discovered
The controversial paleo diet, made famous by TV chef Pete Evans, has been dealt another blow by health researchers. https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/h...b7d45b902c63d52 :rolleyes: |
TMAOs -- hmmm, we have seen contradictory research results.
No, bone broth is not suitable as the only food for babies, assuming that is what was meant by replacing formula. Breast milk is the best option, and this should be supported more than it is by practitioners. I do wonder what ages he was talking about in the book? I dropped milk from the grocery list a long time ago, but include cheeses and yogurt. HOWEVER, these do NOT contain added vit. D. Pediatrition said to give a vit D pill. |
https://cholesterolcode.com/
Dave Feldman interviews Ivor Cummins here. Around 1:44 Ivor talks about a study with kidney disease patients and their levels of TMAO--kidney patients with high TMAO experience dramatic decreases after transplant. Kidney disease is a strong driver of atherosclerosis, so a possible confounder when TMAO correlates with heart disease... Anyways, a good interview to watch, even if it does mention TMAO. :lol: The bone broth--if it was indeed proposed as a sole food, I agree there, I remember saying that here back when that all went down. I think the formula included some liver as well and there was the question of whether vitamin A intake would be excessive. |
I read this last night and never had time to go into this but what is:
"High levels of trimethylamine-n-oxide, or TMAO, in the gut" ? There was not much detail in this article about this, just statements with no facts or referances. |
It's a substance that gut bacteria can produce from some nutrients like choline and l-carnitine. It's beneficial if it comes from fish or bean sprouts, deadly if it comes from red meat or eggs. There. You're up to speed. :lol:
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