‘I don’t eat vegetables and I’ve never felt stronger’: the rise of the carnivore diet
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I noticed the rise in carnivore, too. Like dr Berry. ( His wife and child are not carnivore but keto).
There is lots to like about carnivore. Fixes obesity fast. Eliminates foods that a body reacts to. As a high risk colon cancer is in my genetic cards, vegetables are a key fighter. A researcher has researched the benefits of specific vegetables to lower cancer risk. Imho carnivore knocks out pesticides significantly. Our vegetables are tested and a recent reporting showed 70% of tested veg/ fruit test for one pesticide. Of course many have two or more As for meats, corn and soybeans are generally regarded as GMO. Which is used in the feedlots. Grassfed avoids this. Im left with the question: is it the veg, or the pesticides? Otherwise only a few cultures historically are meat only, like peoples of the far north. Otherwise, hunter gatherers gather some fruit, leaves and roots to supplement hunting. As for a self sustainable angle, feeding livestock is a loosing battle. The cost of hay has sky rocketed ( winter feed here in New England) and grain !!!!! Wow that is UP, again. We are cutting flocks down. Im not against carnivore , just not for me on many levels. |
"The singer James Blunt said on a podcast in 2020 that he tried an all-meat diet for about two months while at university – only to develop symptoms of scurvy, resulting from a lack of vitamin C."
Seriously? Scurvy in two months? I seriously doubt it. And, I've read that nutrition charts show meat as having no Vitamin C, but only because they assumed it has none. It does have some, enough to avoid scurvy. It was the dried, salted beef for months on end that did in sailors and others. Fresh meat doesn't have the same effect. All this fear about not getting all the nutrients you need with carnivore, warnings against carnivore. Why not warnings against veganism? Why is it carnivore is restrictive, but veganism isn't, or isn't talked about? I feel better eschewing all fiber and eating only meat. That's enough for me. |
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And a number of people who find the Optimising Nutrition group are also "failed carnivores" …they regained weight and did not feel well. Carnivore can be healthy, and work for weight loss, but it takes some thought. https://optimisingnutrition.com/car...ist/#more-38100 |
I would have no health concerns with a carnivore diet, as long as some raw/rare meat was consumed for vitamin C.
I do a combination of Carnivore/Paleo/Ketogenic diet. I eat blueberries so I am not a Carnivore and I eat yogurt so I am not Paleo and I bounce in and out of being Ketogenic. I've been doing so for over twenty years and a few years ago my physician told me that based upon my test results that there was no reason for me not to live to be 100. Not to say that I don't have problems. I've had at least 8 blood clots in the last 35 years and numerous kidney stones in about the same time frame. Five years ago a blood vessel in my brain broke and almost killed me. I've managed to recover from all those and yesterday I did a 100km bike ride. |
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Wonderful recovery, Dodger! My missing link turned out to be oxalate overload, which figures prominently in kidney stones. This is what trips up a lot of carnivore experimentation. Which can explain how adding plants stops the runaway dumping, which manifests as many kinds of illness. I think the only accurate information is in Toxic Superfoods because it's based on years of previous research, not tailored to the food fashion of the moment. Oxalates is a neglected field now. I think that will change. I'm a natural carnivore, considering how happy my body is, once I control for oxalate dumping triggering my autoimmune. I'm happy to indulge in botanical fruits that are low oxalate, because I've had to up my carbs to take processing stress off my liver. In my case, I've actually become underweight via BMI, because my body burns energy healing, once I've cleared some oxalates. I can make sugar from protein, but there's a complicated chemical reason why that's difficult until I do heal more. I'm no longer puzzled by salads. I need to ditch the spinach and stick to romaine. So I am getting a variety of foods because I know what not to eat. In a way, I've come full circle, since it's a modification of how I grew up in a Midwestern farm family. Which was: meat at every meal. There was always bread on the table, but it was meat that gave us strength. Quote:
Since 2003 and Atkins, I've swum against the tide. And it has done me nothing but good. It's KNOWN, in anthropology, that the big switch to agriculture showed up in dwindled skeletal structure and signs of malnutrition. "Bread and beer destroyed the Egyptians." Perhaps our first UPF creations. We got a lot from civilization, but there were downsides we ignored. It's past time we figured this out. |
Message for WearBear…Oxalates! ;)
Many nutrition podcasts are on my subscription list if iI enjoy the podcaster. Boundless Body is one, depending on the topic. Today is one for you: Sally Norton on Toxic Superfoods. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podca...i=1000640415359 |
Thanks, I AM on the Sally K Norton plan!
Her book is an amazing read. Coming up on one full year of following her plan. Any person can get started on her website, but anyone sick needs to read the book. |
A new podcast on Carnivore. Carnivore did not work for me, but with Dr Andreas Eenfeldt interviewing Dr Shawn Baker, sure that many on this forum will enjoy this 90 minute video/podcast.
Great discussion of SATIETY in a carnivore context with Shawn Baker. Exploring the carnivore diet, satiety, and calories with Dr. Shawn Baker "If I want to lean out, I'll dial up the protein percentage and dial down the fat a little." Calories Matter! Ps: This is only #3 of the new HAVA podcast, aka DietDoctor. All have been good, recommend if you want to learn about Satiety, subscribe to this new video/podcast. Of course, the huge archive of over 100 DietDoctor podcasts also worth your time. https://youtu.be/OkilKpMMGTc?si=buIONtLV9y6OKXv3 |
I like Dr Baker on many levels .
One he us open to other diets than strict carnivore, while others are stanch supporters of carnivore . When he approached the hospital where he was a surgeon, to start nutrition classes, he lost his license to practice medicine.Though he was cleared very quickly, it was a two year process to get his license fully reinstated. He quit work as a surgeon, giving up millions$$ to support and promote better eating. I never miss an opportunity to listen to Dr Baker, a genuine, thoughtful, hunk of a man who speaks the truth. |
This was a good summary of carnivore as a therapeutic approach, not for everyone (I have more weight loss and better digestion with fiber) and often not long term, but for some people it stops their food addictions.
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I'm still carnivore and more committed to it than ever. I try very hard to listen to my own body rather than the "experts" out there who say do this, don't do that. Some carnivores insist a woman needs to eat at least 1 1/2 pounds of meat, and some even say over 2 pounds! I can't eat that much. Whenever I've listened to them and tried, I gained weight. Now I listen to myself and eat around a pound a day and feel good. I'm starting to lose again, without any hunger pangs at all, and that tells me everything I need to know. I usually eat lunch and dinner, mostly because I'm simply not hungry, so I'm getting the benefits of IF along with carnivore.
I wouldn't characterize anyone as a "failed" anything. If you lose weight on carnivore but then find you can't stick to it and start eating the way you used to, yeah you're going to gain that weight back. Same with low-carb or low-calorie or whatever plan. If a plan doesn't work for you for whatever reason, just move on to what might work better for you. You didn't fail, you learned, and can now move on. |
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