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Nancy LC Sat, Aug-22-09 10:02

Research Shows Why Low Vitamin D Raises Heart Disease Risks In Diabetics
 
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/161539.php

An article I thought you folks might like to read.

Squarecube Mon, Aug-24-09 09:50

I'm not sure why it's relevant only to Diabetics. But, I'm gobbling down my vit D supplements as fast as I can.

Nancy LC Mon, Aug-24-09 10:23

Maybe because heart disease is so common with diabetics?
Quote:
. But, I'm gobbling down my vit D supplements as fast as I can.

:lol:

dancinbr Tue, Aug-25-09 05:13

Vitamin D3 is relevant to the entire population.

It has been directly linked to incidences of cancer.

The optimal serum level for D3 is between 60-90 mg/ml

Too many people are deficient.

This is a breakthrough and yet Doctors in general are very slow on the pickup on this.

It is very relevant to heart disease and progression of coronary plaque.

My first bloodwork I had a serum level of 34.

Now, I am up to 48 and still increasing my daily intake of D3.

I am taking 16000 iu's (Carlson's 2000iu gel caps).

You must take oil based gel caps since these are the ones that get absorbed.

This is not D2 but D3 that is important.

Forget table forms.

My wife is now taking 14000 iu's of D3. It is virtually impossible to overdose, but we are getting bloodwork every three months. Once I approach the upper region of the 60-90 mg/ml, I will have achieved what I need to increase my overall immunity and reduce the threat of many cancers. For woman the reduction of breast cancer rish is key and Vitamin D3 will help reduce this particular risk significantly; something like 60% if I recall correctly.

Ralph

Cajunboy47 Tue, Aug-25-09 05:18

I just tested at a level of 51 and I'm happy with that. I currently supplement 1,000iu's twice daily.... I also try to spend about 30 minutes a day in the sun...

lhill Tue, Aug-25-09 16:24

thank you so much for this info,
 
i am diabetic and just had a heart attack
i had been taking about 1000mg of vit d/3 but didnt know it had to be the oil caps and my dr has said nothing of taking vit d3 but learned that here :cool:
thank you again
linda

Cajunboy47 Tue, Aug-25-09 17:56

Quote:
Originally Posted by lhill
i am diabetic and just had a heart attack
i had been taking about 1000mg of vit d/3 but didnt know it had to be the oil caps and my dr has said nothing of taking vit d3 but learned that here :cool:
thank you again
linda


It comes in oil caps? ;) I just take pills, seems to be doing ok....

lhill Tue, Aug-25-09 19:42

in the post above mine
 
dancinbr said to use the oil based gel caps.
so i thought i better switch so i can get the most absorption from the pills :)
linda

Cajunboy47 Tue, Aug-25-09 20:08

he's probably right, as he does more research than me before jumping into something new...:)

Hutchinson Wed, Aug-26-09 04:02

Quote:
Originally Posted by lhill
dancinbr said to use the oil based gel caps.
so i thought i better switch so i can get the most absorption from the pills :)
linda
These dry powder filled capsules are also fine for absorption I think it's the solid tablet form that may cause problems with absorption.
These $14.98 x 360; 5000iu olive oil based capsules are probably cheapest and contain D3. Code ~~~~~~ saves you a further $5 if you haven't used IHERB before.
If you want to adjust the intake to say 7500iu/d then take one odd days of week and 2 even days.
If you just want to take 2500iu/d in summer and 5000iu/d in winter then during the summer take one on odd days and one every day through the Winter.
If you want to be more precise then it is absolutely fine to take all your weeks supply on ONE day of the week so the average weekly intake/7= the daily amount required. There are potential issues with pregnant/lactating mothers who are best advised to take the same amount every day to ensure an even supply for the baby.
There is also a concern that taking a mega dose at intervals of more than 2 months could exacerbate swings-high/low- which could cause problems with the fine tuning of the output of 1.25 that are best avoided.
The message is keep a high and stable 25(OH)D level, try to avoid sudden rises and sudden falls.
If you rely on a Winter sunshine holiday to boost status then supplement before and after but not during the time you are sunning in the tropics.


Can Diabetes be Prevented with Vitamin D?

You tube Video Vitamin D and Diabetes-Can We Prevent it?

eddiemcm Wed, Aug-26-09 07:30

Vitamin D is fat soluble so there are toxicity concerns particularly
for people on low fat diet.Maybe 10000 IU of D3 should be max?
I take 5000 IU per day.
Eddie

doctorK Wed, Aug-26-09 08:10

http://heartscanblog.blogspot.com/2...min-d-form.html

Dr. Davis is adamant about only using oil-based VitD3 capsules. Tablets or any other form are useless because VitD3 is only absorbed with a lipid carrier.

Hutchinson Wed, Aug-26-09 08:35

Quote:
Originally Posted by doctorK
http://heartscanblog.blogspot.com/2...min-d-form.html

Dr. Davis is adamant about only using oil-based VitD3 capsules. Tablets or any other form are useless because VitD3 is only absorbed with a lipid carrier.
I appreciate that but Dr Cannell of the Vitamin D council is equally adamant that the dry powderfilled capsules are, in his many years experience equally reliable.

I have used both, I found the dry powder Biotech worked for me, irrespective of whether I took them with food or with water.
I'm now using oil based gel caps and they also work well for me. I am certain it's the solid tablet form that is the unreliable form together with any form that contains D2 Ergocalciferol.

When using the 50,000iu Biotech dry powder filled capsules for Stoss therapy recently I had absolutely no problem just taking these in water, they absorbed and did their job fighting flu even though I had lost my appetite and had not eaten any food. While I am sure that when consumed with fat it's possible they may work better, it is simply wrong to imply that dry powder filled caps only work with lipids. This is NOT my findings in practice. That said I have a great deal of respect for Dr Davis and generally speaking he is absolutely right in everything he says. I just don't want anyone dismissing the Biotech 50,000iu dry powder caps as useless when Dr Cannell knows, as I do, that they are reliable particularly if you want to take 1,000–2,000 units/kg per day for three days at the first sign of influenza.
150,000iu for a 75kg adult is a lot easier to take in 3 X 50,000iu than
30 X 5000iu = 150,000iu
and cheaper as well but more importantly it DOES WORK.

Hutchinson Wed, Aug-26-09 08:42

Quote:
Originally Posted by eddiemcm
Vitamin D is fat soluble so there are toxicity concerns particularly
for people on low fat diet.Maybe 10000 IU of D3 should be max?
I take 5000 IU per day.
Eddie
Like you I also take 5000iu/daily. Together with regular sun exposure that is probably all people need but I really think it is disproportionate to even mention toxicity when the prospect is so remote.
Have a read of this and you should grasp the idea that even 10,000iu/d leaves a huge safety margin.

Vitamin D and Cancer Mini-Symposium: The Risk of Additional Vitamin D REINHOLD VIETH

I would like to see any evidence supporting the idea that people on a low fat diet are more vulnerable to vitamin D toxicity symptoms.
I suspect it's a case of debating if you are more likely to see a low fat pig flying than a high fat flying pig.
Intelligent people have more important realistic matters to debate.

Nancy LC Wed, Aug-26-09 10:55

I think there are some bad forms of vitamin D out there, Dr. Davis tests all his patients and found that some, taking tablets, couldn't get their D levels up. So he told everyone to take the oily kind. I'm taking a capsule with a dry, white powder in it. I think it might come from lanolin (sheep's wool). I also think the sort they use in multivitamins is suspect too.

You want to make sure you take cholecaliferol, not ergocaliferol. The 2nd one is D2 and it is very poorly converted to what the body actually uses.

Lhill, you might want to read this blog and join "Track your Plaque". They're doing a good job reversing athlosclerosis. Ralph, from here, is enrolled in that and is quite happy with his results.

http://heartscanblog.blogspot.com


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