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Old Tue, Aug-07-18, 12:33
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Where I live cool air-conditioning is mandatory for a good night sleep. It's the one mandatory luxury I have to have. I could live in a one room cabin but if it had air and a good bed, I'd be fine.
Ain't that the truth and with this humidity a window unit has to work hard. When mine eventually gives out ill opt for a "split-mini" unit for my den. Or I could live in a shipping container buried underground then
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Old Tue, Aug-07-18, 12:40
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When it comes to too much sleep, I think we're too quick to associate it with sloth and not the body's underlying need for more sleep to repair.

Dr. Gominak focuses on the repair aspect of sleep.

Her blog



"In 2009 I accidentally discovered that all of the patients who had abnormal sleep also had vitamin D deficiency. Over time I realized that nearly everyone with abnormal sleep had a combination of both vitamin D and B vitamin deficiencies."
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Old Tue, Aug-07-18, 12:48
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I find that the duration of the sleep does not matter as much as how much deep sleep I get. If I'm hot at night I usually don't sleep as well. If my "deep sleep" number is less that 4 hours I will usually feel a little sleepy at times through the following day. If I get 4 to 6 hours of deep sleep then I am good to go - even if my total sleep is just 7 (or so) hours.
Yes, a lot of famous successful people only sleep for four hours at a time, including the Queen of England. Throughout history, there have been numerous accounts of segmented sleep, from medical texts, to court records and diaries, and even in African and South American tribes, with a common reference to "first" and "second" sleep.

My dogs don't believe it though

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Old Tue, Aug-07-18, 16:49
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I read "Why We Sleep" by Walker last fall shortly after I heard an interview with him on SiriusXM Doctor radio. Sleep is complex, and he provides supporting information that anything less than 8 hours is not healthy. I learned when I'm at my best, that I'm one of those who stays up later and sleeps later. I've been making a concerted effort to sleep longer, sometimes I'm successful, sometimes I'm not. I've also been noticing that when I get close to 8 hours one night, the next night I get closer to 5.5 or 6, and I feel rested despite not getting the recommended amount. As noted by others, diet is not really delved into in this book, but other environmental factors that can enhance or suppress sleep are. I keep my room dark and have banished LEDs and other light sources. I believe it's a worthwhile book, but hardly the sole source of knowledge on this topic about which we are still learning.
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Old Tue, Aug-07-18, 20:50
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Yes, a lot of famous successful people only sleep for four hours at a time, including the Queen of England. Throughout history, there have been numerous accounts of segmented sleep, from medical texts, to court records and diaries, and even in African and South American tribes, with a common reference to "first" and "second" sleep.

My dogs don't believe it though


My dogs work on the house schedule. One person can get up and leave the house, and not peep from the dogs. THe second person-- if they make lots of noise, then the whining starts. Trick is to stay quiet, tip toe, and dont flush.

Older women are noted for decreased sleep. Dr Christianne Northrup addresses this in post menopausal women.

If I lived in a tribal situation, I would want watchful eyes on guard at all hours. I would be interested in the cortisol level of the people that utilize the first and second sleep method.

Perhaps a nap is a form of first and second sleep. I know I like a nap, and find it remarkably beneficial.

All interesting stuff.
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Old Wed, Aug-08-18, 08:44
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"In 2009 I accidentally discovered that all of the patients who had abnormal sleep also had vitamin D deficiency. Over time I realized that nearly everyone with abnormal sleep had a combination of both vitamin D and B vitamin deficiencies."


Isn't that interesting?!

I don't remember whether it's that video or the one below where she talks about how our microbiome is interdependent on each other with one bacteria needing the vitamins produced by it's neighbors.

I have Hutchinson to thank for not being Vitamin D deficient. His persistence paid off.

Her observations mesh well with my experience in taking gelatin, vitamin C and magnesium before bed. I find the combination helps me sleep much better.

What if sleep duration is all about having the necessary nutrients to repair? It would help explain why old people, with generally poor digestion, don't sleep well. They've used up the few nutrients they were able to digest, so it's time to wake up and search out more. Other than Dr. Gominak, I haven't heard much about this.

Interview on High Intensity Health
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Old Wed, Aug-08-18, 08:56
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Isn't that interesting?!

I don't remember whether it's that video or the one below where she talks about how our microbiome is interdependent on each other with one bacteria needing the vitamins produced by it's neighbors.

I have Hutchinson to thank for not being Vitamin D deficient. His persistence paid off.

Her observations mesh well with my experience in taking gelatin, vitamin C and magnesium before bed. I find the combination helps me sleep much better.

What if sleep duration is all about having the necessary nutrients to repair? It would help explain why old people, with generally poor digestion, don't sleep well. They've used up the few nutrients they were able to digest, so it's time to wake up and search out more. Other than Dr. Gominak, I haven't heard much about this.

Interview on High Intensity Health
^ Thank you! I was just thinking that I enjoyed that 1 hour plus Dr. Stasha Gominak 2015 video, I wonder if there is a follow-up? Watching it now.

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Old Sat, Aug-18-18, 13:11
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New instagram post by Dr. Rhonda Patrick on sleep - 8-17-2018:

I had an amazing 2.5 hour conversation with Dr. Matthew Walker yesterday about the critical role sleep plays in human health. I’m super excited to get this video into post-production where we will add figures, references, and other useful information to make this scientific discussion even more educational. I’m so excited about this podcast. Try not to reprimand me too harshly, as you guys know by now, it takes a little while... this one will be worth the wait though!

The day we were recording this episode, Dr. Walker had a new study that was just published on how lack of sleep affects social behavior. His work found that people who were sleep deprived had increased feelings of loneliness and were less likely to engage in social interaction. Sleep deprivation activated brain regions involved in perceived threats and decreased activity in brain regions involved in social interaction. Sleep-deprived individuals were also more socially unattractive to others. We discussed this study and so much more!


new video will show here when posted...

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Old Sat, Aug-18-18, 14:22
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Thanks, s93uv3h. Love Rhonda, and as is her method, she'll get very detailed in this topic.
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Old Wed, Aug-22-18, 13:18
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Whenever I get to sleep in late my appetite disappears until noon and my cravings are much, much less.
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Old Wed, Aug-22-18, 13:29
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Thats interesting Nancy, as I have noticed that sleeping in helps me to skip breakfast and get into 2 meal a day eating. Unfortunately when I get to sleep in is haphazard, and not planned.

In the same vein, getting to bed before 11-12midnight also helps. Staying up later has me thinking about food. I know I will cave, so better to turn the lights out about 11.
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Old Thu, Aug-23-18, 00:39
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Poor sleep makes people pile on the pounds, study finds

Disrupted sleep alters metabolism and boosts body’s ability to store fat, data shows


Lack of sleep has long been linked to obesity, but a new study suggests late night snacking may not be the primary culprit. The latest findings provide the most compelling evidence to date that disrupted sleep alters the metabolism and boosts the body’s ability to store fat.

The findings add to mounting scientific evidence on how disrupted sleep influences the usual rhythms of the body clock, raising the risk of a wide range of health problems from heart disease to diabetes.

Jonathan Cedernaes, a circadian researcher at Uppsala University in Sweden and the paper’s first author, said the findings pointed to “the irreplaceable function that sleep has”.

“Sleep is not just to conserve energy, it has so many functions,” he said.


https://www.theguardian.com/lifeand...e-on-the-pounds
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Old Thu, Aug-23-18, 01:30
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Now that I’m retired I love being able to sleep in if possible. My sleep has been disruptive for years (she says as typing this at 3:20 AM) and it killed me when the alarm went off at 6:15 to get ready for work! I wake up at 2-3 AM almost every night, rarely get to sleep again much before 5, and usually, just as I do drop off, my dog begins whining to go out. But these days, when I finally get to sleep I’ll often sleep until 9-10 AM which is very helpful.

Of course since the death of my only son a few days ago my sleep is worse than ever which probably is contributory to the cold I’m now coming down with. And my vitamin D and magnesium and all other supplements are still in my house which has been unlivable since my house fire a few days ago. I keep meaning to go back for them, but each time I go into the house I come out black with grime, and then I forget anyway. 😀
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Now that I’m retired I love being able to sleep in if possible. My sleep has been disruptive for years (she says as typing this at 3:20 AM) and it killed me when the alarm went off at 6:15 to get ready for work! I wake up at 2-3 AM almost every night, rarely get to sleep again much before 5, and usually, just as I do drop off, my dog begins whining to go out. But these days, when I finally get to sleep I’ll often sleep until 9-10 AM which is very helpful.

Of course since the death of my only son a few days ago my sleep is worse than ever which probably is contributory to the cold I’m now coming down with. And my vitamin D and magnesium and all other supplements are still in my house which has been unlivable since my house fire a few days ago. I keep meaning to go back for them, but each time I go into the house I come out black with grime, and then I forget anyway. 😀
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Old Thu, Aug-23-18, 01:33
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Now that I’m retired I love being able to sleep in if possible. My sleep has been disruptive for years (she says as typing this at 3:20 AM) and it killed me when the alarm went off at 6:15 to get ready for work! I wake up at 2-3 AM almost every night, rarely get to sleep again much before 5, and usually, just as I do drop off, my dog begins whining to go out. But these days, when I finally get to sleep I’ll often sleep until 9-10 AM which is very helpful.

Of course since the death of my only son a few days ago my sleep is worse than ever which probably is contributory to the cold I’m now coming down with. And my vitamin D and magnesium and all other supplements are still in my house which has been unlivable since my house fire a few days ago. I keep meaning to go back for them, but each time I go into the house I come out black with grime, and then I forget anyway. 😀
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