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Old Sat, Aug-26-17, 08:03
alex18092 alex18092 is offline
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Default Do you trust the medical profession? - It depends

In my experience most professions have some sort of distribution of people, from good to bad. There are good doctors who are really interested in helping me, and there are bad doctors who only see me as income source.

The trick is finding the good one. It took me a while to find my doctor (a good one), but that was not easy.
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Old Sun, Aug-27-17, 09:34
Monika4 Monika4 is offline
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I work in a medical school though I am not a physician. I don't trust the medical profession and their training to consider prevention, to consider the whole body or the body-mind link, and I don't expect compassion. I also don't trust the medical profession NOR THEIR SOCIETIES to give correct advice considering the whole picture. I don't trust physicians to read the scientific literature well and act accordingly. The dermatologists recommend slashing SPF 30-50 on your whole skin every time you go out, while the nutritionists, and Alzheimer prevention and many others suggest that lack of Vitamin D is the source of many problems and suggest to go out at least 20 min without sun protection each day. Can't they coordinate? No! Now we have 10% of Caucasians and more than 50% of Asian Indian Americans Vit D deficient.

Every position a baby can be put down has been recommended as the one and only correct position in the past 30 years.

There are many other examples.

But if I have a really strange symptom, I trust the specialists, and if it is a common one, the primary care doctor to diagnose correctly. Prevention is in our hands, and may become a new specialty in the future
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Old Wed, Sep-13-17, 20:03
Blue Ruby Blue Ruby is offline
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This afternoon my 55 year old GP gave me a passionate little lecture about the disservice medicine has done promoting low fat, high grain diets, as well as supporting getting corn into everything until we have a diabetes epidemic.
(my total cholesterol was shockingly high and I had gone armed and ready to fight and started off by saying that i don;t want her to tell me to eat less fat...)

She told me keep doing my diet (which I characterized as meat, above ground veggies and berries, olive oil, butter and coconut oil) and losing weight at this rate -- add exercise for other health benefits and don't worry about the total cholesterol numbers: my ratio is excellent, fasting glucose great and blood pressure right where it should be.

This is not to brag. My point is that the Docs are human and a good doctor reads research and listens to patients and continues to grow in his/her practice the same as every other field. We can bash whole professions: teachers, psychologists, addictions workers, professors, accountants, marriage counselors, pastors and priests... anyone who we turn to in crisis and fear about our most personal issues. We are so vulnerable at those moments.

In medicine in particular the research and the complexities are phenomenally huge and, yes, ever-changing. Not to mention poorly reported on by media.

I do think there is a responsibility on us to be as well-informed as we can be and to do our part in prevention and wellness, as people here have said. And to find the right person (be it doctor or teacher for our kids) to be on our wellness-team.

And I know I am very lucky to have this Doctor, and maybe to be in the health-oriented, alternative-medicine focused city i live in.

The point is that there is change, albeit slowly. Two years ago I was explaining my daughter's illness (PANS) to every single health care provider we met...and 6 months ago I met a pediatric dermatology resident at my daughter's last appointment who had actually just answered a question on an exam on her illness...last month a dentist who immediately recognized what treatment she should be on for the teeth-cleaning not to inflame her immune system...an OT who said, wait...remind me what that is, I read an article last year...?

change happens and I believe most medical professionals go into the field because they do care about people and are fascinated by biology and the human body...

call me a softy
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Old Wed, Sep-13-17, 22:35
M Levac M Levac is offline
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In my experience most professions have some sort of distribution of people, from good to bad. There are good doctors who are really interested in helping me, and there are bad doctors who only see me as income source.

The trick is finding the good one. It took me a while to find my doctor (a good one), but that was not easy.

The distribution we find in any population is reflected everywhere else. There's this idea that docs are better - more good - people than the rest of us because of the nature of the profession. Conversely, there's this idea that army grunts (for example) are all pretty much stupider than the rest of us. The fact is there's the same distribution of good and bad (and, smart and stupid, and ignorant and knowledgeable, and strong and weak, and fast and slow, and so forth according to the parameter we use to compare) in all professions, cuz they're made up of the same population from which they come from. They're not born into special populations.

On the other hand, there is a tendency for people to go toward professions that agree with their preferred behavior. Furthermore, there's the tendency to learn this behavior directly from our environment so that a local population of fishermen, for example, will tend to produce more fishermen than other populations.

For our purpose though - docs - the single most important factor is money. Nobody does 12 years of higher education to work at minimum wage. The second most important factor is dogmatization of the profession. When is the last time a doc told you to get a second opinion? For me, never (think about that for a moment to realize the significance here). Conversely, second opinion is the de facto business model for countless essential services, from a car mechanic to a house repairman and everything in-between. This is why there's the free estimate as standard practice. The docs profession is so dogmatized that even very smart people have trouble with a) recognize it and b) extirpate themselves from it to even begin to offer some kind of alternative diagnosis and/or treatment.

Consider yourself lucky to have found just the one good doc. I won the lottery a few times, just a few bucks here and there, but still, that's several orders of magnitude more success than finding a good doc cuz I found exactly zero of that stuff.
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Old Thu, Sep-14-17, 05:23
bluej bluej is offline
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"Do you trust the medical profession?"

In one word - No
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Old Thu, Sep-14-17, 06:19
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When is the last time a doc told you to get a second opinion? For me, never (think about that for a moment to realize the significance here).


Second opinions aren't indicated.

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Old Sat, Sep-16-17, 07:59
alex18092 alex18092 is offline
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I found that holistic doctors are usually, not always, better since they know conventional medicine and alternative medicine and quite often the answer is low-cost alternative medicine.

One good source are graduates from Dr. Weil school of integrative medicine in Arizona. That is how I found my good doctor. Here is the link:

https://integrativemedicine.arizona.edu/alumni.html

And here is the link to a more detailed article that I came across on how to find a good doctor:

http://www.byebyeuc.com/finding-a-g...erative-colitis
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