Never thought of a water fountain. Mine drink from a bowl, and I rinse and refill it every evening. Of ourse they don't have other options, but they don't seem to mind it.

We have a fountain for our cats, not a specialty one, one with a disco ball on top

We also keep an old plastic rocks glass on top of a bureau in the bedroom that gets ceremoniously filled every evening. From the Britta pitcher.

Cats love drama.

Also, while I serve dry food, I make sure all their food is grain free. Makes a HUGE difference for them; cats lack the enzymes which lets them digest carbs.

I got the fountain because I have one cat that doesn't drink enough water, so it was an attempt to lure him into drinking more. I still never see him drinking, unfortunately! He gets urinary crystals so he absolutely must drink more.

I've got him eating meat now so that has more water in it and I add some too.

Funny, my other cat LOVES water and she really loves the fountain too.

The other cat is still eating dry but it is Instinct which is pretty low carb and doesn't contain grains. I need to get her weaned onto wet food too.

I used to make my own cat food, and while I did that, I would add water to the finished product. My cats didn't seem to drink much water, but they probably didn't need to. They get canned now, they still drink less than if they were on dry food.

I had a thought yesterday but don't know how to go through with it. Could I make and sell my own cat/dog food? Home grown meat Ie: chickens and rabbit? Is it doable? Would it sell, being fresh meats, it would be a lot more expensive than dry food that most people feed. How would it get shipped and stay frozen? I've been thinking on this one.

Lots of people do. There are whole buyer groups of people who buy raw, frozen meat for their pets. A couple of times I bought from someone who sold raw pet food, frozen, via the web. They ship everything overnight and have it packed really well so it won't defrost.

Google for "raw pet food co-op"

Here's a business: https://www.hare-today.com/

Back to the original topic:

I'm still getting ouchy joints and still taking the gelatin. I've liked eating the wiggly stuff made into jello with crystal light.

Anyway, I'm going to stop and see if the joints stop aching.

aj cohen reports great results with bone broth AND gelatin.

I take collagen I & II and hyaluronic acid.

The best thing I did for my knees was to inject them with vitamin D.

Over the course of many years I went from walking bone on bone, bone spurs, being in constant pain, and the recommendation to have knee replacement surgery on both knees to no pain, going from severe to moderate osteoarthritis in my knees, regrowth of cartilage, and no knee joint pain though still slight stiffness when I tire.

When I first started the vitamin D injections I injected again whenever the pain returned. In the beginning that was every 4-5 days. Gradually the period between injections widened. Now I inject once or twice a month in the right knee and every couple of months in the left.

Since I've added DE (diatomaceous earth) to my regimen, my balance is solid, my muscles are stronger and the ache I had in my lower back has gone away. And I'm more flexible. I can touch my toes without straining.

I have recently been doing gelatin... and I have noticed that certain things have started hurting...

...in REVERSE CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER of how I injured them.

First, a toe...
then, the other foot... the one I cracked a bone in.
Then, where I dropped that cast iron skillet on my foot.

Today, it's a nearly 30 year old wrist injury... severe tendon injury.

I think I'm going to stick with it for a while longer. Waiting to see if I get down in the back from an ancient bowling accident.

I may be wrong, but it seems like perhaps I'm having some collagen repairs?

LOL! Interesting, Lily. I'm still a little ouchy now and I haven't had gelatin in a few days. It is hard to tell. Arthritis flares from time to time.... could be coincidence.

I know when vitamin D heals you can have pain at the site of old injuries. Maybe it's the same with gelatin?

This is an interesting thread. I've noticed that the mornings after I've eaten some of my homeade soup for dinner (with homeade bone broth) I always feel good. Although the good feeling starts to wear off during the day and I gradually become my usual ordinary self. I was attributing it to being better nourished than usual, but I guess it could be from the bone broth itself.

I think I'll try to add more gelatin to some foods. But to me there is a smell, and not a particularly pleasant one, either, to the Knox gelatin. I'm reading where everyone else says its odorless. I've had several boxes of Knox through the years, and to me it always smells a little like a dead cow when I open the envelope.

Fascinating! My own husband's treatment regimen indicated that the symptoms abate when it is working... in the opposite order of their appearance.

I popped in to update that I was getting some periodic pains myself; they only last a few minutes, and it feels fine the rest of the time.

I was thinking, "Maybe it's healing."

I can say that it no longer hurts when I open jars. That is incredible!

Today, I noticed that my middle finger, right hand, had an "ache".
(The knuckle that taught me to NEVER 'put my hand in an elevator to hold the door' when I failed to break the beam...)

It's not really pains... more like aches. There is a difference.
I live in the deep south USA, so I get plenty of sunshine.

I feel like there's a connection, though I am an "N group" of ONE.

And my sixteen year old cat jumped down from the bathroom vanity the other day!

He normally jumps to the toilet seat, and then to the floor.