Originally Posted by Hellistile

I just get fed up with people ignoring facts and pushing a vegetarian agenda that is not healthy. Just google vegan/vegetarian and all the information is positive. Google meat and carnivore and negativity abounds. Propaganda works but we shouldn't be using it here on a low carb board.

Originally Posted by M Levac

Here's more on the subject of diet and health:

http://rawfoodsos.com/2010/07/07/th...fact-or-fallac/

Basically, she says wheat, not meat, is most closely associated with disease.

Originally Posted by isdatzo

Is that what she says, or what she found evaluating results from this particular study?

Originally Posted by M Levac

Check it out for yourself.

Originally Posted by isdatzo

Since when can results from ecological studies be considered clinically relevant?

The author from the China Study asked 6,500 subjects about their food consumption in 1983, and then simply linked this data to causes of death from several diseases in 1973-75!

6,500 subjects is only a small amount of subjects. Most cohort studies included well over 20,000 subjects. Some even up to half a million. And data about food consumption was not linked to disease outcome/mortality on an individual level. Data about food consumption was linked to causes of death from other individuals, 8-10 years before the food was consumed............

Originally Posted by EatRealFoo

I'm really confused
My aunt was diagnosed with terminal liver and pancreatic cancer, carcinoma. She started itching and her skin became yellow and they thought she suffered with icterus but eventually found the cancer and the metastasis.

She is the fourth member of my family who develop cancer and like the other one she has always been an heavy meat eater with a special dislike for bread, rice and most veggies. She grew eating grilled meat and lot of steak.

My parents are now feeding her vegetables juices and fresh fruits and her health, in spite of their condition, is improving since eating only plants.

I started searching "cancer survivors" and "diet" or "alternative therapies" on the net and I found only references to eating more plants and less meat.

Researchers at the University of Victoria in British Columbia did a follow up on 200 persons who underwent cancer remission and 90% of them had switched to a vegetarian diet.

I found lot of stories of people drinking only carrot juice and healing from cancer but I could found nothing about going into cancer remission while eating roast-beef and lard.

In fact the most ardent zero carb person I know, The Bear, developed cancer several years after switching to an only meat diet. According to his story he had always eaten a lot of meat but switched to an only meat diet in his 20's and developed cancer in his 60's.

Dr. Williard J. Visek a research scientist at Cornell University even claims to have found the reason why meat increases cancer risk, being the metabolism of ammonia.

I think it's kind of thought-provoking that all people in cancer remission are eating lot of veggies and fruits, that all people who switched to a diet with lot of veggies and fruits lived a long life with no more health issues, that there's no information, study or positive statistics about people going into cancer remission eating nothing but meat and that so far all the long term meat eater we know of had severe health problems late in life (Stefansson, The Bear... and others I can't remember)

This is the real life, not some kind of philosophical battle of who's right.
We're all humans and we want to live a long disease free life. My mind is changing about ZC, very low carb and the healthiness of eating lot of meat.

This thread is in the war zone but let's not make this a "war thread"
What I'm going through is really painful and I don't want wars.

Originally Posted by dutchboy

http://www.sciencedaily.com/release...71113074933.htm

This artice cites research on animals that indicate that carbs are the problem in cancer, not the fat :


"The researchers hypothesized that since serum insulin and a related substance known as insulin-like growth factor (IGF) had been linked with the growth of prostate tumors in earlier research in mice, a reduction in the body's levels of these substances might slow tumor growth, Freedland said.

The researchers compared tumor growth in 75 mice that were eating either a low-carbohydrate diet, a low-fat but high-carbohydrate diet, or a Western diet, high in fat and carbohydrates.

The mice that ate a low-carbohydrate diet had the longest survival and smallest tumor size, Freedland said.

"Low-fat mice had shorter survival and larger tumors while mice on the Western diet had the worst survival and biggest tumors," he said. "In addition, though both the low-carb and low-fat mice had lower levels of insulin, only the low-carb mice had lower levels of the form of IGF capable of stimulating tumor growth."

The low-carbohydrate diet definitely had the most significant effect on tumor growth and survival, he said."

This is about prostate cancer. But I can imagine that all cancers share some common characteristics.

Originally Posted by Thomas1492

Sorry,but if you believe that^^^..I got a bridge in Brooklyn I want to sell you...