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Old Thu, Dec-04-08, 10:38
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I say anyone who thinks humans should be vegans should go right ahead and be vegans. Between the brain shrinkage, bone density problems, heart disease, etc.... it will be a self correcting problem.
nerve death, rotting teeth.....
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Old Thu, Dec-04-08, 10:46
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"A self correcting problem"--Funny .
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Old Thu, Dec-04-08, 11:35
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Still looking for a 100 year old vegan. Anyone know of any?
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Old Thu, Dec-04-08, 11:50
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Plan: mostly milkfat
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Paleolithic people did things with their teeth (chew skins to softness, sharpen to a point. more stuff I never heard of) that makes anyone like me, weaned onto white flour and cornstarch and sugar, wince. Even if you bought the our teeth aren't made to eat meat argument, a lot of fish, shellfish, shrimp etc. doesn't pose much of a problem. (This doesn't of course excuse us from the "molecule from red meat" thingy.)

Rat study

Sialic acid has an anti-inflammatory effect. In rats. Tissues being high in sialic acid could be a cry for help, part of a derailed healing system, a symptom, rather than a cause. I also found a site selling sialic acid as a supplement; I don't know if it was the NesomethingAsomething human-type or the NesomethingGsomething cow type. It was claimed that it was effective against developing Leaky Gut.

Varki's claims that 1) "G" type sialic acid is why humans so often reject transplants from other animals, and 2) "G" type sialic acid tends to congregate in human cancers, when put together only encourage the kind of wild speculation I seem to be prone to.

I think we're going from "I found a new molecule" to "My new molecule causes everything imaginable" way too quickly here.
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Old Thu, Dec-04-08, 14:26
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Plan: Low Carb - High Nutrition
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Meat-eaters: have claws
Herbivores: no claws
Humans: no claws

Meat-eaters: have no skin pores and perspire through the tongue
Herbivores: perspire through skin pores
Humans: perspire through skin pores

Meat-eaters: have sharp front teeth for tearing, with no flat molar teeth for grinding
Herbivores: no sharp front teeth, but flat rear molars for grinding
Humans: no sharp front teeth, but flat rear molars for grinding

Meat-eaters: have intestinal tract that is only 3 times their body length so that rapidly decaying meat can pass through quickly
Herbivores: have intestinal tract 10-12 times their body length.
Humans: have intestinal tract 10-12 times their body length.

Meat-eaters: have strong hydrochloric acid in stomach to digest meat
Herbivores: have stomach acid that is 20 times weaker than that of a meat-eater
Humans: have stomach acid that is 20 times weaker than that of a meat-eater

Meat-eaters: salivary glands in mouth not needed to pre-digest grains and fruits.
Herbivores: well-developed salivary glands which are necessary to pre-digest grains and fruits
Humans: well-developed salivary glands, which are necessary to pre-digest, grains and fruits

Meat-eaters: have acid saliva with no enzyme ptyalin to pre-digest grains
Herbivores: have alkaline saliva with ptyalin to pre-digest grains
Humans: have alkaline saliva with ptyalin to pre-digest grains

Perhaps I'm missing something but it would seem that if humans were meant to eat meat we wouldn't have so many crucial ingestive/digestive similarities with animals that are herbivores?

Bo

Last edited by BoBoGuy : Thu, Dec-04-08 at 15:08. Reason: typo
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Old Thu, Dec-04-08, 15:15
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Angeline Angeline is offline
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Are you actually serious? You are really this deluded? <shakes head>

So where is the omnivore category in your little list? We are neither herbivores nor carnivores, as you very well know. What's the point of comparing us to something we are not?
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Old Thu, Dec-04-08, 15:27
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Nancy LC Nancy LC is offline
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How about answering the questions that are posed to you instead of skipping off to find more junk science.

Name one hunter/gatherer society that doesn't eat animal protein. Just one. Find one scrap of evidence that there have ever been humans on earth that didn't eat animal protein.
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Old Thu, Dec-04-08, 15:40
M Levac M Levac is offline
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Plan: VLC, mostly meat
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BoBoGuy
Meat-eaters: have claws
Herbivores: no claws
Humans: no claws

Meat-eaters: have no skin pores and perspire through the tongue
Herbivores: perspire through skin pores
Humans: perspire through skin pores

Meat-eaters: have sharp front teeth for tearing, with no flat molar teeth for grinding
Herbivores: no sharp front teeth, but flat rear molars for grinding
Humans: no sharp front teeth, but flat rear molars for grinding

Meat-eaters: have intestinal tract that is only 3 times their body length so that rapidly decaying meat can pass through quickly
Herbivores: have intestinal tract 10-12 times their body length.
Humans: have intestinal tract 10-12 times their body length.

Meat-eaters: have strong hydrochloric acid in stomach to digest meat
Herbivores: have stomach acid that is 20 times weaker than that of a meat-eater
Humans: have stomach acid that is 20 times weaker than that of a meat-eater

Meat-eaters: salivary glands in mouth not needed to pre-digest grains and fruits.
Herbivores: well-developed salivary glands which are necessary to pre-digest grains and fruits
Humans: well-developed salivary glands, which are necessary to pre-digest, grains and fruits

Meat-eaters: have acid saliva with no enzyme ptyalin to pre-digest grains
Herbivores: have alkaline saliva with ptyalin to pre-digest grains
Humans: have alkaline saliva with ptyalin to pre-digest grains

Perhaps I'm missing something but it would seem that if humans were meant to eat meat we wouldn't have so many crucial ingestive/digestive similarities with animals that are herbivores?

Bo

BoboGuy, you make the same mistake Ancel Keys made. You sift through the data, you take the data that confirms your hypothesis, you discard or ignore outright the data that refutes your hypothesis. You are trying to confirm your hypothesis. You make bad science. You are therefore a bad scientist. You are missing something. However, since you miss it by choice and lack of trying, I doubt you realize what you miss let alone that you miss anything.

Either you acknowledge the opposing data and concede its validity which will prompt you to reject your hypothesis, or hold on to your hypothesis even in the face of the same opposing data and you will be viewed as biased and unreasonable and your arguments will be deemed inconsequential.

This is not a threat, it's merely a summary of what Ancel Keys did and what happened to his lipid hypothesis. If you truly thought your hypothesis was important, you would pit it against the opposing data. The only valid way to confirm a hypothesis is to attempt to refute it.

Make no mistake, you are being peer reviewed. And your peers tell you that you are in error.
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Old Thu, Dec-04-08, 15:43
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At best you have only proven that human are omnivores, not herbivores.

And I noticed that your "list" has been reprinted countless hundreds of times on vegetarian, yoga, PETA, eastern religion and other similar minded (vegetarian agenda-promoting) sites.

I believe we are omnivores but that certain of us (depending on genetic heritage) have adapted to fare better on certain macronutrient rich diets (meaning, some can eat more carbs than others. Many do best on high fat and moderate protein. Some actually can eat some of everything and enjoy optimal health, and so on).
http://membrane.com/synapse/library..._omnivores.html

Anyway, I'm not smart enough or well read enough to refute your list point by point, but I'm thinking this guy might be:

http://www.modernforager.com/blog/2...protein-source/
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Old Thu, Dec-04-08, 15:52
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Nancy LC Nancy LC is offline
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I think Boboguy doesn't actually read any replies to his postings. He just posts... write only mode I guess.
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Old Thu, Dec-04-08, 16:22
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Plan: Kwasniewski Ratios
Stats: 225/158/145 Female 65
BF:53%/24%/20%
Progress: 84%
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BoBoGuy
Meat-eaters: have claws
Herbivores: no claws
Humans: no claws

Humans: eat meat
Humans: hit thumbs with hammer
Humans: wear band-aids

Herbivores: no thumbs
Meat-eaters: no thumbs

Herbivores: no band-aids
Meat-eaters: no band-aids

Herbivores and Meat-eaters: do not eat meat or own hammers

Are you planning on marketing this game - me likee.
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Old Thu, Dec-04-08, 16:33
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Study finds vegetarians have smaller brains: http://barrygroves.blogspot.com/200...ve-smaller.html
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Old Thu, Dec-04-08, 16:40
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Demokat Demokat is offline
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Plan: Paleo/Organic Fat Flush
Stats: 193/176/145 Female 5'4.5"
BF:42/31/24
Progress: 35%
Location: Boston
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You're posting the same vege-ganda that is promoted by PETA and the Ornish crowd. You will not find any of these talking points in peer-reviewed journals or peer-reviewed science.

Have you been a vegan all along, or just come to this way of eating?
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Old Thu, Dec-04-08, 17:05
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kasstout kasstout is offline
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Plan: IF/caveman
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you know......if god didnt want us to eat animals he wouldnt have made them out of meat. plain and simple. read a bible.
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Old Thu, Dec-04-08, 18:32
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Wifezilla Wifezilla is offline
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Exactly Kass

God even expressed a direct preference for meat and fat over plant food....

http://wifezillasway.blogspot.com/2...ates-carbs.html
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