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Originally Posted by ProteusOne
... However, I have tried almost pure carnivorism as well (95%) for 6 weeks, and I have to admit that I didn't feel my best for most of that time. Was it long enough? Maybe not. I'm not sure. But What I did learn is that I can do and feel better with much fewer veggies and carbs than I thought.
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Yeah, I do kind of suspect that if you would have pushed past that phase, you would have started to feel better; but on the other hand, I also agree with you that we are not all exactly the same. Be it nurture or nature that accounts for the differences, maybe your health would have deteriorated if you stayed on that course, only you can be the judge of that; I can't really have a meaningful opinion about it.
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And I have a suspicion that when the body is "not bombarded with" veggies all of the time, that it makes better use of them and their nutrients when it does get them. It makes sense, really, if you think about feedback loops and nutritional uptake.
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Again, to play Devil's advocate against myself, I found it interesting in reading about Stefansson, that though he still advocated a high-meat very low carb diet later in his life, he threw in the
occasional grapefruit. I constantly wonder about the ascorbic acid thing, I do drink green tea, my intent was never to use it as a supplement for vitamin C, I've enjoyed it for many years, but regardless it provides some.
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There's no point in beating the dead horse here (MmmMmm, dead horse anyone?) that meat should be the mainstay of our woe. I get the impression that we all agree with that.
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A. I'll have to try horse someday. B. Agreed.
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We don't all agree, however, that theBear is the Messianic figure that some seem to want to make him.
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I find that quite a bit around here though, not just with theBear's views. In this thread alone, I can cite examples of people taking a position with someone for no apparent rational reason, it's a problem with human nature that we all have to overcome. With theBear, he was obviously more polarizing because of his extreme position, and I notice in that thread a few people seemed to become overly zealous, taking sides with or against him and leaving reason at the door. I think it's sad that some want to paint him as a Messiah, I think his "celebrity" as well as the position he took, seemed to bring that response out in a few people, which is unfortunate, but I doubt it was something he was aiming for.
For me personally, he is someone who has eaten carnivorously for 50 years, so it's hard to be dismissive of his thoughts on the subject. Also, his thread was my introduction to these forums, so it's probably imparted somewhat of a bias to my views. As for the sig, I like the responses it elicits, it's a great conversation starter
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And, even more important, I don't think that most of us here are going to be weaned from our veggies without cold dead hands being involved. I tend to think of human evolutionary diet looking somewhat like a bell curve - with extremes of vegetarianism on one side and carnivorism on the other. Simplistic, yes. But it works for me and I'm comfortable with that. (Hey, anything that doesn't involve chemistry is okay by me )
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I think the bell curve is a good model for this, I guess the only questions are where our "optimal health" lives on that line and whether it's the same for all of us. I also agree on the vegetables, even the extremists, like theBear, still used plants, he devotes a lot of space on that thread to his pet favourites like coffee, vegetables as flavouring aids, macadamia nut oil, etc.