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Old Sat, Apr-28-07, 00:11
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In the final analysis, it's how we feel that counts. Labwork and good numbers don't make up for not feeling tip-top in person. If taking all of my supplements builds up my strength, I'll be happy about choking down all these dang pills. As I get more active, I think I'll be able to supply a wider range of food - but for now I am limited in how many of what kinds of food I can collect and face eating in any given day. Pills are just easier to find/take.

My face seems different to me from day to day. I think it's the fluid that sometimes shows more or less cheekbones and smaller or bigger eyes. I think it all depends on how hydrated I am and how plump my cells are individually. Just as I have bad-hair days, I can have bad-face days. It seems that way to me.
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Capo - from what I've read, the one-meal-a-day thing only works in the long run if you eat A LOT - I mean a HUGE amount of food at the end of the day. It sounds to me like you're battling your own body by not wanting to build any muscle, which is what low-carb usually does. Many people seem to be disappointed that they don't obtain Hollywood figures from low-carbing (not saying that that is what you want btw). Being weak and lithe isn't really very healthy - but then maybe you are a normal weight anyway.

However I don't know what you look like so I can't say what I really think - it just sounds like you're probably not eating many calories. Personally food restriction got me into trouble - but that might not happen to you IF you are making up for what you didn't eat in the day at night, which is very hard to do if you have mega appetite suppression.

And stuff changing overnight sounds really mad but again I'm not you so I can't say it isn't happening - stranger things have happened to people.

Well myself I seem to get a bit hyper and irritable every time I take anything over 1000IUs. I still have a tan from Summer here in Chile but that doesn't mean anything from what Zu said. So I just take a wad of cod liver oil and keep up with my Mg and Ca.
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Capo - from what I've read, the one-meal-a-day thing only works in the long run if you eat A LOT - I mean a HUGE amount of food at the end of the day. It sounds to me like you're battling your own body by not wanting to build any muscle, which is what low-carb usually does. Many people seem to be disappointed that they don't obtain Hollywood figures from low-carbing (not saying that that is what you want btw). Being weak and lithe isn't really very healthy - but then maybe you are a normal weight anyway.

However I don't know what you look like so I can't say what I really think - it just sounds like you're probably not eating many calories. Personally food restriction got me into trouble - but that might not happen to you IF you are making up for what you didn't eat in the day at night, which is very hard to do if you have mega appetite suppression.

And stuff changing overnight sounds really mad but again I'm not you so I can't say it isn't happening - stranger things have happened to people.

Well myself I seem to get a bit hyper and irritable every time I take anything over 1000IUs. I still have a tan from Summer here in Chile but that doesn't mean anything from what Zu said. So I just take a wad of cod liver oil and keep up with my Mg and Ca.


LOOPS, I think with IFing it's way easier to achieve a non-muscley, lean look, and mostly because the amount of protein you can eat in one meal is limited. Protein in conjunction with fat makes me gain muscle, which is kind of unwanted. It's weird. Whenever I lose muscle with LC I get worried I'm going to get skinny fat, and whenever I gain muscle with LC I get worried because I don't like the look and don't really want to gain muscle.

Since my health and mood don't suffer from losing muscle mass and eating lower to moderate amounts of protein, I'm completely happy with the results it brings. And since losing muscle makes my body smaller, I believe supplements have a greater affect. So, it's more efficient in the long run.. I don't have to drink as much water to stay hydrated, and I can move around much faster when I'm littler.
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Old Sun, Apr-29-07, 18:40
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Hmm, well today was a downer. Not the whole day, just the end of the day where my mom came home, told me she spent $120 on 'healthy' food, which was ok, but was all mostly fruit and vegetables and maybe a few cuts of meat and cheese..but $120, jeez, she is so impractical. But that's not the problem, well the big problem, the problem is that I told her my teeth looked good, then smiled (I think this was after she told me she was going to have this piece of cake with sugar in it, which I replied I was trying to save my teeth for when I was older), so I smiled and she was like "You still have that slanted underbite."

I mean, what a way to compliment someone, tell them they have a slanted underbite. To continue, she said "And you'll never be able to fix that. You'll just have to live with it your whole life," as she looks at me with a look of regret on her face.

I was thinking the vitamin D, A, and calcium and magnesium were fixing my bones and building up my front upper teeth. I look at my teeth nearly every day in the light with a mirror, and they look healthy, whiter than ever, and I have no tartar/plaque on them at all, even without using toothpaste. I may be able to change the way my body looks and make it healthy, but apparently I'll always have the underbite. Depressing.

On a happier note, I went outside in the hot sun for maybe 30 minutes and my skin looked moist and healthy from the vitamin A and D I presume. It didn't even dry out much, and I'm sure the extra humidity doesn't hurt either.

I wonder if my upper teeth will ever go straight up and down instead of curving outward from my supplementing. I don't see my face as much of a problem, I mean, at least I don't have sunken in cheekbones or an extreme overbite. There's always something you can't change, no matter what, and for me it's my upper teeth. They may be strong, healthy, and white, but they're sure as heck not straight up and down with my face. I guess I'm supposed to live with it.
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apparently I'll always have the underbite. Depressing.
Go to an orthodontist. If you want your teeth changed, or the structure of your face changed. They can do it.

On the other hand just because your Mother says you have an underbite doesn't mean you have anything that needs fixing... Do you need to live with your mother?
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Old Sun, Apr-29-07, 19:14
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Go to an orthodontist. If you want your teeth changed, or the structure of your face changed. They can do it.


Yes, I've had all the orthodontia work possible. I even had a missing incisor to the left of my front two teeth, and my mom invested $3K for me to have a cosmetic surgeon put an implant in its place and the dentist to put in a crown, and she probably put in another $3K in my mouth to have my teeth all straightened. But nothing can be done for my upper teeth. My jawline seems to be too big perhaps for my upper teeth, or maybe it's just that my maxilla never fully grew out of my face. It's not really something you notice really, it's just that I've always had it and hoped it would grow out.

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On the other hand just because your Mother says you have an underbite doesn't mean you have anything that needs fixing... Do you need to live with your mother?


LOL, well it does save money living with her. It's not like she's openly critical of me..I did kind of ask for her analytical view by asking her if my teeth looked good. I suppose I should learn to not talk to her about my teeth.

Hmm, I guess I'll just keep supplementing. It's not hurting anything, and I do have a nice smile. Maybe with the intermittent fasting I'm doing I'll stimulate my growth hormones and this will cause my maxilla to grow out more.
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Vitamin D casts cancer prevention in new light

MARTIN MITTELSTAEDT

From Saturday's Globe and Mail

April 28, 2007 at 1:20 AM EDT

For decades, researchers have puzzled over why rich northern countries have cancer rates many times higher than those in developing countries — and many have laid the blame on dangerous pollutants spewed out by industry.

But research into vitamin D is suggesting both a plausible answer to this medical puzzle and a heretical notion: that cancers and other disorders in rich countries aren't caused mainly by pollutants but by a vitamin deficiency known to be less acute or even non-existent in poor nations.

Those trying to brand contaminants as the key factor behind cancer in the West are "looking for a bogeyman that doesn't exist," argues Reinhold Vieth, professor at the Department of Nutritional Sciences at the University of Toronto and one of the world's top vitamin D experts. Instead, he says, the critical factor "is more likely a lack of vitamin D."

What's more, researchers are linking low vitamin D status to a host of other serious ailments, including multiple sclerosis, juvenile diabetes, influenza, osteoporosis and bone fractures among the elderly.

Not everyone is willing to jump on the vitamin D bandwagon just yet. Smoking and some pollutants, such as benzene and asbestos, irrefutably cause many cancers.

But perhaps the biggest bombshell about vitamin D's effects is about to go off. In June, U.S. researchers will announce the first direct link between cancer prevention and the sunshine vitamin. Their results are nothing short of astounding.

A four-year clinical trial involving 1,200 women found those taking the vitamin had about a 60-per-cent reduction in cancer incidence, compared with those who didn't take it, a drop so large — twice the impact on cancer attributed to smoking — it almost looks like a typographical error.

And in an era of pricey medical advances, the reduction seems even more remarkable because it was achieved with an over-the-counter supplement costing pennies a day.

One of the researchers who made the discovery, professor of medicine Robert Heaney of Creighton University in Nebraska, says vitamin D deficiency is showing up in so many illnesses besides cancer that nearly all disease figures in Canada and the U.S. will need to be re-evaluated. "We don't really know what the status of chronic disease is in the North American population," he said, "until we normalize vitamin D status."

Sunshine vitamin

For decades, vitamin D has been the Rodney Dangerfield of the supplement world. It's the vitamin most Canadians never give a second thought to because it was assumed the only thing it did was prevent childhood rickets, a debilitating bone disease. But the days of no respect could be numbered. If vitamin D deficiency becomes accepted as the major cause of cancer and other serious illnesses, it will ignite the medical equivalent of a five-alarm blaze on the Canadian health front.

For many reasons, Canadians are among the people most at risk of not having enough vitamin D. This is due to a quirk of geography, to modern lifestyles and to the country's health authorities, who have unwittingly, if with the best of intentions, played a role in creating the vitamin deficiency.

Authorities are implicated because the main way humans achieve healthy levels of vitamin D isn't through diet but through sun exposure. People make vitamin D whenever naked skin is exposed to bright sunshine. By an unfortunate coincidence, the strong sunshine able to produce vitamin D is the same ultraviolet B light that can also causes sunburns and, eventually, skin cancer.

Only brief full-body exposures to bright summer sunshine — of 10 or 15 minutes a day — are needed to make high amounts of the vitamin. But most authorities, including Health Canada, have urged a total avoidance of strong sunlight or, alternatively, heavy use of sunscreen. Both recommendations will block almost all vitamin D synthesis.

Those studying the vitamin say the hide-from-sunlight advice has amounted to the health equivalent of a foolish poker trade. Anyone practising sun avoidance has traded the benefit of a reduced risk of skin cancer — which is easy to detect and treat and seldom fatal — for an increased risk of the scary, high-body-count cancers, such as breast, prostate and colon, that appear linked to vitamin D shortages.

The sun advice has been misguided information "of just breathtaking proportions," said John Cannell, head of the Vitamin D Council, a non-profit, California-based organization.

"Fifteen hundred Americans die every year from [skin cancers]. Fifteen hundred Americans die every day from the serious cancers."

Health Canada denies its advice might be dangerous. In an e-mailed statement, it said that most people don't apply sunscreen thoroughly, leaving some skin exposed, and that people spend enough time outside without skin protection to make adequate amounts of vitamin D.

However, the Canadian Cancer Society last year quietly tweaked its recommendation to recognize that limited amounts of sun exposure are essential for vitamin D levels.

Avoiding most bright sunlight wouldn't be so serious if it weren't for a second factor: The main determinant of whether sunshine is strong enough to make vitamin D is latitude. Living in the north is bad, the south is better, and near the equator is best of all.

Canadians have drawn the short straw on the world's latitude lottery: From October to March, sunlight is too feeble for vitamin D production. During this time, our bodies draw down stores built by summer sunshine, and whatever is acquired from supplements or diet.

Government regulations require foods such as milk and margarine to have small amounts of added vitamin D to prevent rickets.

Other foods, such as salmon, naturally contain some, as does the cod liver oil once commonly given to children in the days before milk fortification. But the amounts from food are minuscule compared to what is needed for cancer prevention and what humans naturally can make in their skin.

Vitamin D levels in Canada are also being compromised by a lifestyle change. Unlike previous generations that farmed or otherwise worked outside, most people now spend little time outdoors.

One survey published in 2001 estimated office- and homebound Canadians and Americans spend 93 per cent of waking time in buildings or cars, both of which block ultraviolet light.

Consequently, by mid-winter most Canadians have depleted vitamin D status. "We're all a bit abnormal in terms of our vitamin D," said Dr. Vieth, who has tested scores of Canadians, something done with a simple blood test.

How much is enough?

Just how much vitamin D is required for optimum health is the subject of intense scientific inquiry.

Dr. Vieth has approached the matter by asking: What vitamin D level would humans have if they were still living outside, in the wild, near the equator, with its attendant year-round bright sunshine? "Picture the natural human as a nudist in environments south of Florida," he says.

He estimates humans in a state of nature probably had about 125 to 150 nanomoles/litre of vitamin D in their blood all year long — levels now achieved for only a few months a year by the minority of adult Canadians who spend a lot of time in the sun, such as lifeguards or farmers.

For the rest of the population, vitamin D levels tend to be lower, and crash in winter. In testing office workers in Toronto in winter, Dr. Vieth found the average was only about 40 nanomoles/L, or about one-quarter to one-third of what humans would have in the wild.

The avalanche of surprising research on the beneficial effects of vitamin D could affect dietary recommendations as well. Health Canada says that, in light of the findings, it intends to study whether recommended dietary levels need to be revised, although the review is likely to be years away.

A joint Canadian-U.S. health panel last studied vitamin D levels in 1997, concluding the relatively low amounts in people's blood were normal. At the time, there was speculation vitamin D had an anti-cancer effect, but more conclusive evidence has only emerged since.

"There needs to be a comprehensive review undertaken and that is planned," says Mary Bush, director general of Health Canada's office of nutrition policy and promotion.

But Ms. Bush said the government doesn't want to move hastily, out of concern that there may be unknown risks associated with taking more of the vitamin.

Those who worry about low vitamin D, however, say this stand is too conservative — that the government's caution may itself be a health hazard.

To achieve the vitamin D doses used for cancer prevention through foods, people would need to drink about three litres of milk a day, which is unrealistic.

If health authorities accept the new research, they would have to order a substantial increase in food fortification or supplement-taking to affect disease trends. As it is, the 400 IU dosage included in most multivitamins is too low to be an effective cancer fighter.

Dr. Vieth said any new recommendations will also have to reflect the racial and cultural factors connected to vitamin D. Blacks, South Asians and women who wear veils are at far higher risks of vitamin D deficiencies than are whites.

Although humans carry a lot of cultural baggage on the subject of skin hue, colour is the way nature dealt with the vagaries of high or low vitamin D production by latitude.

Those with very dark skins, whose ancestors originated in tropical, light-rich environments, have pigmentation that filters out more of the sunshine responsible for vitamin D; in northern latitudes, they need more sun exposure — often 10 times as much — to produce the same amount of the vitamin as whites.

Dr. Vieth says it is urgent to provide information about the need for extra vitamin D in Canada's growing non-white population to avoid a future of high illness rates in this group.

Researchers suspect vitamin D plays such a crucial role in diseases as unrelated as cancer and osteoporosis because the chemical originated in the early days of animal evolution as a way for cells to signal that they were being exposed to daylight.

Even though living things have evolved since then, almost all cells, even those deep in our bodies, have kept this primitive light-signalling system.

In the body, vitamin D is converted into a steroid hormone, and genes responding to it play a crucial role in fixing damaged cells and maintaining good cell health. "There is no better anti-cancer agent than activated vitamin D. I mean, it does everything you'd want," said Dr. Cannell of the Vitamin D Council.

Some may view the sunshine-vitamin story as too good to be true, particularly given that the number of previous claims of vitamin cure-alls that subsequently flopped. "The floor of modern medicine is littered with the claims of vitamins that didn't turn out," Dr. Cannell allowed.

But the big difference is that vitamin D, unlike other vitamins, is turned into a hormone, making it far more biologically active. As well, it is "operating independently in hundreds of tissues in your body," Dr. Cannell said.

Referring to Linus Pauling, the famous U.S. advocate of vitamin C use as a cure for many illnesses, he said: "Basically, Linus Pauling was right, but he was off by one letter."

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/serv...eandHealth/home
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Hi everyone,

I have taken 30000IU of D3 for 3 weeks and my blood level rose at a very high value. The lab did not even found the exact value. My level is at more than 300 nmol !
My doctor told me to immediately stop taking D3. He is very worried, and me too.

Just wanted to warn everyone. It is not needed to take more than 10000IU per day and remember to have your blood level checked.
Also, he told me that D3 in high dosage WILL leech minerals from the bones, no matter how many you get from your diet. It's because it is a side effect of D3.
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Kaspof, were you ever D deficient? Also, were/are you taking adequate A with your D? A protects against D3 toxicity and the other way around - don't forget that. It has been shown to completely protect against hypercalcemia and the other potentially toxic effects of too much D3. It is no longer a question of how much you're taking, it is a matter of whether you are balancing it with the other fat solubles. I think that you should just be doing a maintenance dose now (between 4 - 10K IUs/daily).
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How Much Vitamin A is Too Much? - The Wrong Question to Ask

Now that we've established that vitamin A's role in bone metabolism is a positive one and that its interaction with vitamin D is of a complex character that includes synergism rather than simply antagonism, let's turn to the hard evidence: human and animal experiments suggest that sufficient vitamin D - something possessed by none of the groups studied in the epidemiological reports that tie vitamin A to osteoporosis - nullifies the effect of vitamin A in promoting poor skeletal health. Put another way, it isn't vitamin A in and of itself that contributes to poor skeletal health; it is the combination of comparatively high vitamin A and deficient vitamin D.

Therefore, the question being asked by these epidemiological studies - namely, "how much vitamin A is too much?" - is entirely the wrong one.

There are three basic models we could use to assess the effect of a given amount of vitamin A. The first is to consider the absolute quantity. The second would be a ratio model, wherein the importance of the absolute quantity of vitamin A is subject to the importance of the ratio between vitamins A and D. The third is a threshold or "switch" model, wherein the association between vitamin A and osteoporosis could be "turned on" by deficient vitamin D levels, and likewise "turned off" by vitamin D levels meeting a certain level of sufficiency, just like a light switch. Several groups of researchers have published studies investigating the effects of varying combinations of vitamins A and D on the absorption of calcium and phosphorus, serum levels of these minerals, bone mineral density, other measures of skeletal health, or some combination thereof, in animals and humans, all of which support either a ratio model or a switch model and none of which appear to support a quantity model.
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Experiments show that even during the winter with a low vitamin D intake, humans will exhaust stores of vitamin D at a rate of 3000-4000 IU per day, an amount that many people require to maintain optimal levels of the vitamin in the blood. Extensive exposure to summer sun at mid latitudes naturally produces levels of vitamin D in the blood equivalent to what is attained by supplementing with a continued daily dose of 10,000 IU, suggesting humans are designed to tolerate such large amounts of vitamin D.

If you are a lifeguard or spend a lot of time in the sun, you do not need to take supplemental vitamin D; however you still need to consume adequate vitamin A. Animal studies show that even moderate amounts of vitamin D increase the body's need for vitamin A, whether the vitamin D is provided in the diet or by UV light (2,5). So, if you cut back or eliminate cod liver oil in the summer, be sure to consume plenty of oily fish, liver, butterfat and egg yolks from grass-fed hens to ensure adequate vitamin A.
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In fact, living in America today while worrying about vitamin D toxicity is like dying of thirst in the desert while worrying about drowning.

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Demi, thanks for the article about Vit.D being the Rodney Dangerfield of vitamins - getting no respect!

I'm in my 8th week of taking 200,000IU of Vit.D3 along with 20,000 IU of Vit.A from fish oil and some other supplements. Some new med I'm taking for pain indicates that I'm to avoid sunlight - both artificial and natural. I'm wondering if it is also toxic for me to be taking this med while I'm taking massive doses of Vit.D3. The MD in charge is aware that I'm taking Vit.D3 and the dosage that I'm taking. But I guess sunbathing is out for me at this particular time. On the other hand, I may ditch the pills in favor of sunbathing to create my own Vit.D and see how that fixes me. I'm in favor of whatever WORKS! Function is all that counts, far as I can tell. FUNCTION is lightyears ahead of labels as far as quality of life goes.
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Yes, I was deficient. My level was 10ng. I was taking 15000IU of A as cod liver oil.

I won't take anymore D until my level goes down. I think it's better to trust a blood level than a text on the internet!
I don't want to have calcification of arteries or other condition. Taking a smaller dosage on a regular basis is certainly less dangerous even if we have to wait a little longer in order to feel all benefits.
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K, I agree to trust in your blood levels, I didn't suggest otherwise. But again, you're not listening to the recent science that I've mentioned... Adequate A combined with D3 intake has been shown to completely protect against hypercalcemia and other D3 toxicity issues - even at super high doses. So to me, your fears of arterial calcification is unwarranted. The high dose is only meant to be temporary anyway, so just move back to a maintenance dose when necessary and you'll be good Were you experiencing any typical toxicity symptoms?
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Physician ignorance about vitamin D toxicity is widespread. A case report of four patients appeared in the 1997 Annals of Internal Medicine, accompanied by and editorial warning about vitamin D toxicity. Adams JS, Lee G.Gains in bone mineral density with resolution of vitamin D intoxication.Ann Intern Med. 1997 Aug 1;127(3):203-6 Marriott BM.Vitamin D supplementation: a word of caution.Ann Intern Med. 1997 Aug 1;127(3):231-3 However, careful examination of the patients reveals that both papers are a testimony to the fact that incompetence about vitamin D toxicity can reach the highest levels of academia.
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Yes, I often feel lightheaded but my calcium level is in the range.

I will wait for my level to fall at 70ng (or 170nmol) before taking any D3. It's clearly enough that a level > 300nmol is associated with toxicity and even if A can prevent D3 toxicity, what is the purpose of having such a blood level of D3? I don't think there's any.
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Some new med I'm taking for pain indicates that I'm to avoid sunlight - both artificial and natural. I'm wondering if it is also toxic for me to be taking this med while I'm taking massive doses of Vit.D3. The MD in charge is aware that I'm taking Vit.D3 and the dosage that I'm taking. But I guess sunbathing is out for me at this particular time. On the other hand, I may ditch the pills in favor of sunbathing to create my own Vit.D and see how that fixes me.


Interesting ...I'm thinking that may mean avoid artificial (indoor tanning beds) and natural light (sunshine) because the meds can make you sensitive to projected light which has nothing to do with D3 consumption?

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You seem to keep mentioning your calcium level as a direct connection with toxicity. It is possible to have vitamin D toxicity and not have elevated calcium levels & the other way around. Elevated calcium level is one factor, but not a slam-dunk indicator of vitamin D toxicity.

Regarding vitamin D causing arterial calcification:
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Many researchers have postulated that vitamin D deficiency leads to the deposition of calcium in the arteries and hence atherosclerosis, noting that northern countries have higher levels of cardiovascular disease and that more heart attacks occur in winter months.

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