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Old Thu, Nov-26-09, 06:23
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Happy Thanksgiving everyone,

This is my very first post and just read your post concerning type 2 with great interest... Want to tell you ~ this is the first forum where I've found so much info to help... I am eager to try some of your suggestions... My morning meter reading is around 115 to 120. I am careful with the carbs. My GP is of no help... He knows about as much about nutrition as a 2 year old. So I am so happy to find this forum.
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Old Thu, Nov-26-09, 06:34
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Hi, flagurl.

I'm pretty new here myself, and I agree. I've learned a lot, too.

Welcome!
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Old Fri, Nov-27-09, 04:45
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Thanks for the welcome Aunt Joyce and LadyMist,

Now that Thanksgiving is over I am ready to head out to the health food store for some of your suggestions.
I know Turmeric is anti inflammatory and Chamomile is calming. I already take the Bragg's apple cider vinegar. Recently added Chia Seed to my morning green shake. I purchased Bitter Melon at the Mexican Market here in South Fla. but I must tell you it is one bitter melon...It looks like a horned cuke. I want to plant some of the seeds and see if I can grow it. Not sure of Fenugreek properties.
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Old Sun, Jul-26-15, 19:41
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Smile Glucator 2

I have taken Glucator V.2 for a few years now. It is great. However, to get the best effects, I empty the capsule contents into my mouth and let it dissolve. I most often do this at night and let it dissolve during the night. It sticks to the roof of the mouth but that does not bother me. I guess you could try to empty it under the tongue. I love bitter herbs - so does not bother me at all. I have acquired a taste for them so I rather enjoy them. When my blood sugar is too high, I feel the difference almost immediately. Great product.
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Old Mon, Jul-27-15, 05:26
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Plan: LCHF
Stats: 170/139/130 Female 62 inches
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I have taken Glucator V.2 for a few years now. It is great. However, to get the best effects, I empty the capsule contents into my mouth and let it dissolve. I most often do this at night and let it dissolve during the night. It sticks to the roof of the mouth but that does not bother me. I guess you could try to empty it under the tongue. I love bitter herbs - so does not bother me at all. I have acquired a taste for them so I rather enjoy them. When my blood sugar is too high, I feel the difference almost immediately. Great product.

I'm not trying to poach you from your plan, but this forum has lots of information based on long-term studies with different natural ways to deal with T2.
http://forum.lowcarber.org/forumdisplay.php?f=45
Under that thread is one where many of us are posting:
Dr. Jason Fung....
I was really stuck, eating LCHF for 6 years without losing until I started following the Fung protocol. I'm not T2 (yet), but trying to keep from pushing myself over the edge, so to speak.
There are lots of people on that thread who share their experiences. It's been so helpful to me.

Welcome to the forum!
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Old Mon, Jul-27-15, 12:53
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Plan: Dr. Bernstein, IF
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Since this thread has been revived, I have a question. Has anyone experienced an adverse reaction to these supplements?

I keep trying to take R-ala, Evening Primrose Oil, Gymnema sylvestre, and banaba leaf. Each time I try any of these (individually or together), I end up with a skin reaction, the same reaction I got when eating too many carbs - a hot, red itchy patch.

They do seem to work at reducing my BS a few points, but obviously they are also causing inflammation, so I quit taking them. I thought they would help with inflammation. (I assumed higher carbs were triggering more insulin response resulting in the inflammation.)

I bummed that I cannot take the supplements, especially those recommended by Dr. Bernstein.

Oh well.
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Old Tue, Aug-11-15, 17:07
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A lot of the herbs mentioned here (gymnema and bitter melon specifically...not sure about the rest) are constipating for me. I've tried gymnema three or four different times. I do not want to go down that road again. But on a good note they did lower my blood sugar. So what is one to do? So far low carbing is working. Keeping my blood sugar under 95. Would be nice if I could tolerate a few more grams of carbs though! IMJUSTSAYING
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Old Fri, Oct-23-15, 04:51
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Plan: Hippocratic:Let food be..
Stats: 191/154/140 Male 69"
BF:Current: 27%
Progress: 73%
Location: London (SE), UK
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Hey guys,

Newbie here, and hope you don't mind if I 'bump' an old thread with my experience of Glucotor v.2.

I was diagnosed with T2 DM around 8 years ago. Rather than succumb to heavy GP pressure to go on lamestream meds, I decided it might be a good idea (in the first instance at least) to try to seek out safer alternatives from nature. Cue 6 months of intensive on-line research, and I began to despair that I would ever find anything that wasn't snake oil.

Then I came across Glucotor v.2, and thought........hello, what have we here? I dug as deeply as I could, and I liked what I found. At least it had some clinical credibility, which is a lot more than you could say for everything else I came across. I thought, at the very least, it was worth a try. Long story short (ahem) - it worked for me. I wrote a fairly detailed report of my experiences on a couple of diabetes support forums. I might try to dig one out later if anyone is interested and post it here.

A close family friend went the metformin route around the same time. He is now 50% blind in one eye, continues to expand his already ample waistline, and is still on the register. Of course, I know this is all anecdotal, and a very small sample, etc. etc., so let me add a couple of caveats.

1. It doesn't work for everyone. Jon Barron himself is acutely aware of this fact, and it is an almost constant source of annoyance to him. If memory serves, I believe he cites a 90% success rate, or thereabouts. There seems to be a hard-core of around 10% of users for whom it does nothing or next to nothing, much to his chagrin. I guess it just proves we are all different, so some of us are bound to respond differently to the same ingredients. But those are odds I'll take any day over what 'big pharma' has to offer, thanks all the same.

2. Glucotor is not a 'magic bullet'. That said, it bought me the time I needed to make the necessary adjustments to my lifestyle. My HbA1c is now in the normal range, and I have been taken off the diabetic register. I now report annually for bloods only for monitoring purposes. That's it. I don't even take Glucotor anymore.

My advice? Based only on my experiences, I reckon it's worth a try. The most you have to lose is what, $50 - $55? If there's a money-back guarantee, you don't even lose that. What's that compared to a lifetime on lamestream medication and its toxic side-effects? For me at least, it was a no-brainer.

Hope some of you found that helpful. And just in case you're wondering - no, I'm not in any way related to or associated with Jon Barron, nor do I hold shares in Baseline Nutritionals.

Happy low-carbing fellow travelers,
Costas
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Old Fri, Oct-23-15, 05:46
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Strong product endorsement in a first post might make some people suspicious, though. Happy if it worked for you.

I would worry if a supplement was really that effective, though. Drugs and supplements with strong effects are very likely to have strong side effects.
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Old Fri, Oct-23-15, 05:53
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Originally Posted by kji
I have taken Glucator V.2 for a few years now. It is great. However, to get the best effects, I empty the capsule contents into my mouth and let it dissolve. I most often do this at night and let it dissolve during the night. It sticks to the roof of the mouth but that does not bother me. I guess you could try to empty it under the tongue. I love bitter herbs - so does not bother me at all. I have acquired a taste for them so I rather enjoy them. When my blood sugar is too high, I feel the difference almost immediately. Great product.


There are any number of bitter substances that improve blood glucose in various rodent studies--and there are metabolic effects of even just tasting bitter, sweet, umami, sour. So who knows? If you look at sour--chasing sour gets you into the vinegar, lemon sourkraut area--all shown to have effects on blood glucose.
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Old Fri, Oct-23-15, 08:10
loquat1 loquat1 is offline
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Plan: Hippocratic:Let food be..
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Strong product endorsement in a first post might make some people suspicious, though. Happy if it worked for you.

I would worry if a supplement was really that effective, though. Drugs and supplements with strong effects are very likely to have strong side effects.

Hey teaser

Yeah, I get that a lot from other forums where I posted in similar vein. Under the circumstances, your cynicism is understandable, even excusable. I can't prove the veracity of my claims, anymore than you can disprove them.

But side effects? Do you mean trivial ones like headaches, blurred vision, irregular heartbeat, gastro-intestinal pain or discomfort, lactoacidosis, loss of consciousness, ad nauseum (pun intended) from metformin? Or slightly more serious ones like death from Avandia perhaps, mentioned by one hapless poster at #3 above in 2006? At least I hope he's still around to tell us the story of his experience with that drug, which I believe is now banned.

But (only slightly) more seriously, no, none that I could detect after about 12 months of use. Take from that what you will, but please don't take my word for it. You have to reach your own conclusions, hopefully based on as much research as you can devote to the subject.

As for my first post being a glowing endorsement of a commercially available product, well, we all have to start somewhere. I only came across this forum coz of a search on 'glucotor' to source it for an uncle, so what else was I gonna write about? Just name your subject, & I'll hold forth on that as well if you like, providing I know something about it.

How about renal calculi (kidney stones) for example, just to pull one out of the hat? I self-medicated for that as well. This time it was called quebra pedra, and it saved me from a surgical procedure to insert a stent in my ureter, the only treatment on offer from my conslt urologist. Will you now also imply that I have a vested interest in that as well? Please, be my guest - go ahead.

Costas

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Old Fri, Oct-23-15, 08:32
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I wasn't actually being cynical, just throwing out the obvious that does pop into your mind. Please take me entirely literally, when I say "some people" I don't secretly mean that I'm suspicious of you. Of course if somebody gets a great effect from an anti-diabetic agent, they'll want to share their experience with others. That's an equally valid explanation for somebody showing up with a first post like yours, it's just not one I brought up.

No, what I meant is that anything that is effective, will have side effects. There is no bit of human metabolism so simple that there's an effective drug/herb that has a desired effect without probably having undesired side effects in some percent of the population. Natural products automatically meaning safe just isn't a thing worth considering. This is a general caveat to supplementation.

I'm sorry if you took my post as an attack, it wasn't meant as one. My fault though, I can see how you could take it that way.
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Old Fri, Oct-23-15, 08:54
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No apologies necessary, and no offence taken. I actually welcome cynicism, intended or otherwise. It helps to sharpen me up, keeps me on my toes, etc.
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Old Fri, Oct-23-15, 10:38
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http://andreyhfjri-glucotor.blogspot.ca/

Here's an interesting blog devoted to glucotor. No posts though. Click on the blogger's profile, there's a list of various blogs they have. One is named "31dayfatlosscure." A few have levitra in the name, that's an erectile dysfunction treatment, sort of like Viagra. Fake bloggers don't necessarily mean fake products, levitra seems to be the real deal. All of these blogs are now empty of content. I am suspicious of companies that use fake blogs to promote their products.
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Old Fri, Oct-23-15, 13:29
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I'd like to thank you for bringing this supplement to my attention, because I think it does deserve some scrutiny.
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