Yes, grains make me feel sluggish and bloated then set off horrible cravings for sugar/starch. It's not wierd when you understand basic biochemistry. These kinds of carbs may be fine for you, probably because you are not yet insulin resistant. For many of us who are however, these carbs are not fine.

You don't follow a LC diet but you're on a LC message board? I'm confused.

Am I not welcomed to take part in discussions on a board which is about a type of diet that I don't take part in?

I originally come here because I typed in Calorie Restriction in google and there was a discussion about CR going on, some things that bothered me were people making wrong assumptions about it and the people that do CR.

Now that I have taken a look around I wish to learn about this kind of diet, the people that do it, I like to take part in active discussions and some people around here are cool and intelligent

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I doubt i will...

Everyone's welcome as far as I know, was just curious as to your motivation. Though I haven't read all your posts, those I have gave me the impression you object to LC.

I hope you never do!

Whoa, if you check the forum rules (to which you clicked "I agree" when you joined ) you'll see that as a non-low carber you are welcome to post here - but only here in the Low Carb War Zone.

Personally I find it rather confusing why somebody who does not believe in low carbing spends so much time here.

Rosebud

Whoa...what the heck IS your point?????

i didn't realize non low carbers were so limited. i do appreciate though that whoa isn't a spammer, at least not that i've seen,

I've been enjoying Whoa's posts. It's good to get a different and fresh perspective on things.

You have just made it personal.

There is no need for that. I have noticed you have been insulting towards every post that I make.

That is disapointing for you, because I am not a bad person.

I am not an idiot either.

Dave I was basically agreeing with you, sorry that you misunderstood or that i never explained myself properly.



This is right, but wouldn't you agree that most diets or healthy eating plans will work if done correctly? I was pointing out your critism of weight watchers, I have nothing to gain from defending WW but people that fail on that plan really didn't stick to it properly or resumed their old eating habbits after doing it.

It's the people that that fail, not the diets?



I didn't say that you were

I dont think its the people that fail, THE DIETS FAIL THEM BY NOT ADDRESSING THE ADDICTIONS THEY HAVE.

I did appallingly on WW, L/C, L/F etc.. I felt a failure. But when I tried Atkins I realised I was like a junkie where carbs are concerned, an addict and I hadnt realised. THATS WHY I FAILED ON THE OTHER EATING PLANS. Take the sugar and bad carbs out of my diet and my uncontollable cravings for these foods go.

you dont tell an alcholic hde can have one small drink a day, moderation blah blah...

jo

You probably don't realize, but 'them's fightin' words' around here. It is a fundamental misunderstanding of insulin resistance that has made so very many of us miserable for years.

For people who are insulin resistant, low calorie high carb diets only work for a short time. Yes, if you cut your calories low enough, most everyone can lose weight. However, for the insulin resistant person, losing weight via high carb low calorie is a sentence to be ravenous all day, and to reduce their life to an endless round of 'what do I get to eat next'. Even before you begin to discuss the elevated insulin, and therefore triglycerides. It is unpleasant, and very, very damaging for the body.

Plus, eventually your body adjusts to that level of calorie restriction, and the insulin resistant person will begin to gain weight.

It may be annecdotal, but it happened to me over and over for years, and there are many people here who all tell the same story. It seems unlikely that we'd all be making up exactly the same story.

Even though I am nowhere near thin and am probably still medically classed as dangerously obese, within 9 mos of going low carb, I got off a handful medication, including oxygen for a breathing disorder, and high blood pressure meds which I've been on since I was 20, and at my lowest adult weight. Since I am not thin at all, something else must be going on to cause that kind of improvement.

I respect your interest in low carbing, and personally I'd like to see you stay, but before you get too excited about advising people according to your beliefs, please do us the courtesy to read some good literature on this subject and become more aquainted with our perspective.

I highly recommend that you read "Life Without Bread", which was researched outside the US and has some of the best science I've seen assembled, and "Protein Power Lifeplan". In my opinion, those two books will give you an excellent grounding in the LC perspective, from which you can then make a more informed decision to agree or disagree.

I did order that book, i have it right here and intend to read it after I have read " the okinawa program "

Whoa..are your stats correct..? How tall are you? and I assumed you were male from the avatar.

It's not that simple, sorry. I can eat < 800 calories a day (low-fat, complex carbs only) with my 8-10 hour a week combination of cardio and weight training and fail to lose fat. Eating a wonderfully "healthy" low-fat, low-GI, restricted calorie diet combined with daily exercise for years (dancing seriously since I was 14) has LOWERED my metabolism, if anything. Eating lowcarb at about 1000-1200 cals/day I can maintain and sometimes lose. On my previous "healthy" regimen I must go below 800 calories simply to maintain.

I don't call exercising 8-10 hours a week a lack of willpower. I really doubt I'm just "failing to follow plan" when I do not lose body fat on WW or similar plans.

When I was in high school and decided I wanted to "become" a serious dancer I weighed about the same as now: 133. I lost weight and kept it off (to kick the dancer stereotype, I lost it without eating disorders, thanks) for 2-2.5 years on a moderately LF, low-cal diet. My average weight during this 2 year period was 107-115. I too thought it was ridiculous that "all these fat people couldn't stick to a diet." I was a personal testament to successfully losing fat and keeping it off!

After 2 years, I started gaining weight though NOTHING about my eating, exercise, or lifestyle had changed. Honestly, my problem was that I had TOO MUCH willpower and stayed on plan religiously. Unaware of the problems it would pose, I replaced much of my fat and protein with complex carbs to the detriment of my body.

No, I don't think someone eating 4000 calories a day on Atkins is going to experience success. I also know someone who follows your advice to "eat healthily and don't eat excess calories" may lose in the long run. Maybe YOUR body works with that plan. Bravo. Don't apply your personal physique to everyone else. Plenty of us have willpower in spades but don't have the physiological composition to succeed on your advice.

I am 5ft 7"