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Old Tue, Feb-08-05, 06:48
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Plan: Lyle's PSMF
Stats: 226/150/135 Female 5'7.5"
BF:46/20/sliced
Progress: 84%
Location: near Budapest, Hungary
Default UBWO, light cardio

Just got back from Budapest this morning, so did some walking. Nothing much...maybe 4 or 5 15 minutes stretches. Hopefully we (DH took today off) can all go for a walk later.

Upper body today:
BB flat bench 37.4lbs(9kg+bar) 3x10, last set to failure....13 reps
alt w/assorted ab crunches 3x20

DB incl flye bar+4kg(14.3lbs), 3x10 good
ss w/DB incl press bar+4, 3x10, much better, last 2 reps hard

side lats bar+3kg (12lb) 3x10 good, last set hard
ss w/seated row, 7plates (70lbs) 3x10 good

arnies bar+3kg (12lbs) 3x10 good, hard
ss w/upright rows bar+3, 3x10 good, hard

tri kb's bar+3 (12lb) 3x10 really hard
ss w/side curls bar+3 3x10 good, hard
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Old Tue, Feb-08-05, 09:01
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Plan: low carb
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Progress: 87%
Location: Mississippi
Post refeeds and cardio...

I'll have to read that article a couple of times to get it in my head. Thanks for posting it for me. I have to say, after all the carbs I had Saturday and Sunday, yesterday was one of the easiest work-outs I've had in a while. Only because I felt so much stronger. I did my 1 set of 145 squats--FULL. I usually do my one "heavy" set only half way because I just don't have the energy to go further, but yesterday I did. It felt great!! I wish I just had someone saying "o.k. here is what you eat this week, here are your refeed days... etc." Trying to figure this out on my own is just too much pressure on this old brain of mine. It is still trying hard to stay protein/low carb minded, and rejects fearfully, doing otherwise. I hate wasting days doing it wrong .
As far as cardio goes, I think interval training is excellent, again, I generally don't have the energy to do it, so I bounce around on my rebounder and pretend to have "done enough." I did get a stop watch so when the weather gets dry-- I was going to try some walking/sprints. That is suppose to really kick in the fat burning. Still plan on trying it. I get so disgusted trying to figure out how to rework this whole eating exercising thing so that I can live peacefully with it and actually reach my goals. I keep doing the same wrong things, apparently, expecting different results--INSANITY. Well, I'll go for now....I'll keep studying this and try to work it out in my head. Thanks again.
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Old Tue, Feb-08-05, 11:40
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Plan: Lyle's PSMF
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BF:46/20/sliced
Progress: 84%
Location: near Budapest, Hungary
Default Letter from Andy

Got this from my bodybuilder bro the other day:
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With regard to working out.

I never counted carbs. I would monitor my protein and
overall daily calorie intake. When I would bulk up, I
would eat at least two grams of protien per pound of
body weight and take in over 10,000 calories. This
diet consisted of 2-3 pounds of chicken breast, 12
eggs (6 yokes/6 whites), an entire pizza, three
protein shakes (labrada lean body), a bag of organic
salads with cauliflauer and brocoli and just about
anything else I could get my hands on. I was eating
so much...literally eating while I was on the toilet.
Expensive. I was spending close to $200 a week on
food, and I only made about $1,200 a month at the
time. I was obsessed...so that is part of the reason
why I stayed at mom and dads so long...FREE RENT!

At my largest, I weighed 318lbs, maxed 540lbs on the
bench and 600lbs squats and deadlifts. I was so large
that I couldn't reach around to whipe my own ass (you
don't wanna know my solution, but it involved frequent
showers). I never had my bodyfat done so I don't know
how much of that was clean/lean muscle...my stomach
was a bit fat at a 42" waistline (but a 36-38"
waistline looks slim on me). You could see veins and
vascularity in my mass..so I figure my bodyfat was
around 8-10%. This was in the year 2000.

Leaning up from that size was pretty easy for me...I
cut out alot of empty carbs like snacks,sodas, the
pizza, replaced pastas with baked potatoes, knocked my
protein intake down to 1-1/2 grams per pound and my
dailiy colorie intake to 5000-6000.

Steroids. I did them once in the summer of 2002. I
was taking about 200 mg of cypionate and 200 mg of
equipoise (vet drug similar to deca durabolin)a week.
At that time my bodyweight had fallen to 260 lbs
(Matter of fact the photo I sent you is taken a month
or two before I juiced) I upped my diet to 2 grams per
pound and added some pasta into my daily intake and my
weight shot up to 290lbs in the two months of the
cycle. I will not lie. The steroids felt great.
Muscles became nice and hard, very defined, the pump
in the gym was unbelievable, strength and endurance
was phenominal. I can see why people get addicted to
them, but once my cycle was done I walked away from
them and have not touched them since.

I dont need them as I am plenty big and have no use
for them. However, I personally have no problems when
competitive athletes take them because they are using
them for a purpose (purpose being a multi-million
dollar contract). I have issues when everyday
joe-schmoes (like myself) take them to get
bigger...how useless.

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Old Wed, Feb-09-05, 01:11
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Plan: Lyle's PSMF
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BF:46/20/sliced
Progress: 84%
Location: near Budapest, Hungary
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Got a good soreness this morning, especially in the traps, rear delts, tri's, and along the obliques. I am quite pleased! A bit surprised the bi's are fine.... I thought I hit them hard yesterday. I think I might add another bi exercise next time.

I had great energy yesterday, too........well, not so much the energy, but the feeling of strength. So I might add some pre-workout carbs. Tweak tweak, I should look into the CKD.

Have been reading others' experiences with Tom Venuto's E-book, both here and TOP, and am considering it.

Been musing about my brother......... it makes sense that he was able to cut fairly easily, due to the sheer amount of muscle he had packed on. So maybe I should concentrate on building muscle now, with the diet plan I'm on, and save the "cutting" (ie for me, that'd be 25-35carbs, around 1700 cals) until I wean the baby, or at least until he's more firmly into solids. Hmmmmm.......

Off day for weights today........... but I think I'll do my Firm step video, and use no weights during the upper body part. There's an intense ab section in it; and if I have time, I'll do the ab/hamstring section of Buns of Steel, too.

Edited: Did the step/streching/abs routines of my Firm video.... 30min roughly. I think I'll do BOS tomorrow after LBWO, and try to blast my hams then.

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Old Wed, Feb-09-05, 02:56
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Plan: Low Carb, No Sugar
Stats: //! Female 5'11
BF:See my Inch Ticker
Progress: 64%
Location: Germany
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I just wanted to say: I admire you for keeping a log of your exercise.

You told me that I should - but frankly? I keep an Excel sheet here on my PC and I have a "journal" on this site and a Weblog on my own domain as well and the idea of keeping another log of "stuff I do" makes me cringe!

I seriously need a set of the dumbells you hold in each hand, instead of ONLY this barbell.

Finally, I am hoping to lose the *fat* on my back, and I think working the lats would help with that. I know you cannot spot reduce or anything like that, but I think adding mass to a muscle will make the body area where that muscle is look better!

I personally don't want to be "cut" or "built" as I want to retain some "girly curviness" and I don't want "washboard abs" or anything. I just want less fat and better strength and health. That said, I wish you the very very best on your program and I want to thank you for your support of me when you answered my questions on my weights, etc.

Anyway, just wanted to pop by and say hi and shoot the breeze a little!

Keep Lifting!

~Kimberly
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Old Wed, Feb-09-05, 09:21
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Plan: low carb
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BF:
Progress: 87%
Location: Mississippi
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Hey there. I'm so glad you posted your brother's letter, very interesting. And thanks for the offer:
Quote:
But I like doing that kind of thing...maybe I can help you out a bit with that.
to help me figure out how I should best be eating. I'll need help I think. You asked what I was doing before when I was in peak shape.....well, I was teaching aerobics 1-2 times a day, and was a stickler for eating no fat.....except for binges when I'd eat an entire bag of Oboises (?) potato chips.... I guess I have binges no matter what diet I'm on. Well, I gotta run....I'm finished talking here, but dh is hurrying me out the door. So I'll be back later....
Here is a link about that Tom guys diet: http://forum.lowcarber.org/showthre...103#post3008103 I was looking at that too. But what you read there is all I know about it.
Had a very nice day today. It was dh and my 14th anniversary. Dh gave me some nice jewelry and I chose a new Marcy bench for our couple gift . Now it'll take hours to put together....and take the old one down and get it out of there. I have tomorrow cut out for me....talk to you later.

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Old Thu, Feb-10-05, 04:23
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Plan: Lyle's PSMF
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BF:46/20/sliced
Progress: 84%
Location: near Budapest, Hungary
Default Lbwo, Hiit

Ooooooooohhhhhhh, woke up sore this morning. Particularly the traps and delts. I didn't use any weights with the video yesterday, but I guess the moves were new (it's been awhile), and tricked my body. However, abs...... no pain. Which is ok, because today I'm doing the BOS ab portion, and that usually does it!

Ah, leg day.

ATF squats, BB bar +2 (10kg, 22 lbs)3x10 hard... really seeing the muscle!!!

Static wall squat 3x 30sec
ss w/ individ calf raise, bar+3 (12lb) on working side 3x12, last few reps hard

Leg ext 5plates (50lbs)3x10, good..... remember to go slow

Hamstring/Glute/Abs from Buns Of Steel video

HIIT:
25 minutes on the stationary bike. ~250 cals
Using the progressive program.... L1/2/3/4/5/6, 2minute warm up, 2minute cooldown

Great workout........felt strong.
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Old Fri, Feb-11-05, 04:55
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Progress: 84%
Location: near Budapest, Hungary
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Oooooof, crawling out of bed to pee during the night was torture, Very stiff and sore this morning. Stupid video. But I think this is good.....

After some coffee and gentle stretching, I'm feeling better, and ready to do today's Upper Body.

BB flat bench 39.6lbs(10kg+bar) 3x10
ss w/asst crunches

DB incl flye bar+4kg(14.3lbs), 3x10 good, bump
ss w/DB incl press bar+4, 3x10,hard. bump

side lats bar+3kg (12lb) 3x10 good, last few reps of each set hard
ss w/seated row, 7plates (70lbs) 3x10 good

arnies bar+3kg (12lbs) 3x10 good, hard
ss w/upright rows bar+3, 3x10 good, hard

tri kb's bar+3 (12lb) 3x10 really hard
ss w/hammer curls (time to try a different one) bar+3 3x10 really hard, cheated on the last 3 reps each set.

Easy 30m on the bike, 300 cals, level 2.

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Old Fri, Feb-11-05, 05:46
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Plan: Lyle's PSMF
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BF:46/20/sliced
Progress: 84%
Location: near Budapest, Hungary
Default today, cont'd..

Just finished the bike, and realized that it WAS really easy......... and this is the same level 2 30min I've been doing 4 or 5 days for a month, being somewhat difficult, then 2 HIIT sessions, and bang....it's easy! Coincidence? Hmmm........
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Old Fri, Feb-11-05, 08:12
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Plan: low carb
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BF:
Progress: 87%
Location: Mississippi
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Hey. Sore is good.....I'm still sore and I haven't worked out since Tuesday! May do something today. Took all day to get the new Marcy together--not sure I like it ...I hope I bond with it soon. It doesn't give me a true negitive, unless there is a lot of weight on it....maybe once the cables are all stretched out it will. I have to get old Marcy taken down and moved out today and arrange my gym better.
I did ask an eating question at TOP but got no response . I guess I know what I need to do. I just keep doing the wrong things. I need to give the 6 small meals a good try. I always get side tracked on that. I know what you mean about:
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but I don't like his forums. Talk about hardcore
I try to go to some bodybuilding websites to do some reading and they are just TOO vulgar for me. What's up with that? I really don't see the need in using such horrible language just to talk about eating, exercise, and supplements! It's so rude.

I know what you mean about doing the HIIT and what you were doing seeming so much easier. Same thing I've noticed. Once you push yourself harder you raise your level of "what is hard." That's why on my first set of squats I go heavier than I intend my working weight to be.....what would be HARD isn't so bad.... .
Well, I guess I'll get some coffee and go get busy in my gym. Talk to you later.
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Old Sat, Feb-12-05, 10:37
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CKD by l macdonald


First, ketogenic diets
appear to spare muscle tissue loss during dieting. Second, the carb-up
phase seems to promote anabolism to rebuild any lost muscle. I'll divide
the application of the CKD for fat loss into three sections: the no-carb
phase, the carb-up, and training structure.

The no-carb phase:
----------------------------
>From a dietary standpoint, to establish and maintain ketosis, two criteria
must be met:
1. Carbohydrate intake must be kept below 30 grams. However, there is some
indivduality in this number. Some individuals can handle more
carbohydrates while others may have difficulty establishing ketosis at this
level. If you can't get into ketosis and everything else is in place, try
cutting your carb intake to 20 grams or less. Also, many individuals choose
to consume as few carbs as possible (zero) until ketosis is fully
established and then increase carbs slightly (celery and cucumber are both
good and add some nice texture to an otherwise bland diet) at that point.
2. The ratio of fat to protein should be 1.5 grams of fat *minimum* for
every gram of protein and carbs in the diet. This is a 75% fat, 25%
protein ratio with trace carbs. So, if you plan to eat 200 grams of
protein, you need to eat at least 300 grams of fat. In most cases, the
easiest way to meet the fat requirements of the diet is to pick your
protein food first (most protein foods have some fat in them) and then
balance the meal out with the proper amount of whole fat food such as
vegetable oil, cream cheese, or mayonnaise and heavy cream (a great dessert
is heavy cream with protein powder and Equal. Mix it up in a bowl and
you've got pudding!)

Calorie levels: Calories should be set at maintenance or 10-20% below
depending on how quickly you need to drop fat. If you don't know your
maintenance calorie level, start with 12 calories per pound (or 11 calories
per pound of lean body mass) and gauge from there. If you're dropping more
than 2 lbs of fat per week, increase calories. If you feel that fat loss
isn't happening quickly enough, lower them slightly or increase
cardiovascular training. For the sake of example, let's say that your
caloric intake during the no-carb phase is 2000 calories.

75% fat = 2000*.75 = 1500 calories / 9 calories/gram = 166 grams of fat
25% protein = 2000*.25 = 500 calories / 4 calories/gram = 125 grams of protein.

These calories would be divided into three or four meals.

Training structure:
The other key to establishing and maintaining ketosis as rapidly as
possible is that blood glucose (normal is 80-120 mg/dl) must be lowered to
50-60 mg/dl. At this point, insulin levels decrease and glucagon levels
(which are responsible for ketogenesis) rise. Simple carbohydrate
restriction will cause ketosis to occur in three or four days. But proper
training can put you in ketosis within 36-48 hours of stopping carbs. And,
the more time you are in ketosis, the more fat you can lose.
Now, a typical pre-contest dieting practice has been to lower the weights
on all exercise and use higher reps to 'cut' up the muscle. This is a
fallacy and is about the worst thing a natural lifter can do while dieting.
Heavy weights are necessary to maintain muscle mass while dieting. What
should be loweredis training volume (i.e. number of total sets and days of
training) as overtraining becomes more likely on restricted calories.
This point can't be too emphasized: while dieting for fat loss, it is
almost impossible to gain muscle so don't knock yourself out trying. The
best a natural can do is keep all the hard earned muscle he or she has
built through heavy training. To keep that muscle, heavy training must be
maintained, just at a lower volume.
Now, the key to dropping blood glucose quickly is to perform sufficient
metabolic work. At first glance, this seems to contradict the suggestion
to cut training volume. However, the amount of metabolic work done (which
impacts how much glucose is pulled out of the bloodstream into the muscles)
is dependent on the size of the muscle used. So, to rapidly establish
ketosis, make sure to work at least the large muscles of the body (legs,
chest and back) in the first 2 days of carbohydrate restriction. An
example training week be:
Monday: chest and back
Tuesday: legs and abs
Friday: shoulders and arms

Alternately, the entire body can be worked across Monday and Tuesday.
This has the added benefit of allowing for muscle soreness to dissipate
prior to the carb-up. Muscle damage causes short term insulin
insensitivity which can impair carbing.
This would look like:
Mon: legs, back, biceps
Tue: chest, delts, tris, abs
Fri: high rep, circuit depletion workout

The depletion workout comes from Dan Duchaine's book, "Bodyopus". The
rationale is that the further you deplete muscle glycogen, the greater an
anabolic response you will get during the recarb. On the Monday and
Tuesday workout, do 2-3 heavy sets of 6-8 reps to failure for 1-3 exercises
per body part (larger muscles like back need more exercises than smaller
ones like biceps). On Friday, a giant loop type of circuit seems to work
best. For example: squat, bench press, seated row, leg curl, shoulder
press, pulldown, calf raise, triceps pushdown, barbell curl, abs, low back
and alternate movements each cycle (flat vs. incline bench, seated vs.
standing calf raise) to hit as many different fibers as you can.

Do 10-20 semi-fast, but controlled, reps per exercise and go nowhere even
close to failure. A weight around 50% of the weights you used for your
sets of 6-8 on Mon and Tue seems to work about right. Take 1' rest between
sets and about 5' rest between circuits. You want to continue doing
circuits until you feel your strength decreasing (trust me, you'll know
when you get there). This indicates your glycogen stores are becoming
depleted. However, realize that not everyone has found the depletion
workout to be necessary for good results. Again, experimentation and good
record keeping is the key. I suggest you try both methods suggested above
and see what happens.
Prior to the depletion workout, it is important that you get out of
ketosis by consuming 50 grams of carbs (fruit is ideal) about 2 hours
before the workout. The rationale is this: while in ketosis, the body will
prefer ketones to glucose for fuel. To achieve maximal glycogen depletion
in all muscle fibers, you need to exit ketosis. Fruit (which will
preferentially refill liver glycogen) is the ideal way to do this.
This will allow for maximal glycogen depletion during the workout. The
carb-up should begin immediately after the final Friday workout and
continue from 24-36 hours at which point you should switch back to low carb
intake.

Cardiovascular training:
One nice thing about ketogenic diets is that you are burning more bodyfat
for fuel at rest than on a high carb diet. Additionally, due to fuel
inefficiency of ketones (they provide 7 calories/gram vs. 9 calories/gram
for fat), you will burn up more grams of fat for a given caloric deficit.
This means that less cardio training is necessary. For those who want to
ensure maximal fat loss, doing 20-30 minutes of light cardio (60-70% of
maximum heart rate) on Wednesday and Thursday (or after training) can help.
Additionally, 10' of easy cardio prior to the Monday and Tuesday workout as
well as 10' of easy cardio afterwards will help to lower blood sugar levels
and induce ketosis. Do not overdo cardio though as this is a guaranteed
way to lose some hard earned muscle.

The carb-up phase:
----------------------------
This is probably the most critical part of the CKD. The carb up phase
accomplishes two things:
1. rebuilds any muscle that might be lost during the week due to the
anabolic processes related to cell hydration
2. refills muscle glycogen stores for the first workouts of the next week
allowing you to train intensely enough to avoid muscle loss while on low
calories

There are two approaches to the carb-up phase:
1. Subjective approach: with this approach, you simply carb to your hearts
content UNTIL you begin to feel yourself spilling water over to the skin
(i.e. you'll get bloated and smooth). This indicates that muscle glycogen
stores are full and additional carbs will go to the fat cells. The types
of carbs you consume (simple sugars vs. complex carbs) will, to a great
degree, determine how quickly your muscle cells become full.
This approach also allows you to dial in your pre-contest carbing up to
see how your body will respond and what type of carb-up will make you look
the best. To enhance fat loss, it is recommended that you do not carb for
more than 24-36 total hours. This turns the diet into 6 days of low carb
and 1 day of carbing. And, again, more days in ketosis means more fat
lost.
For those who need to lose fat very quickly, carbing every other weekend
can have very positive results although it's not as much fun. In this
case, I'd suggest one concentrated carb meal one hour in length right after
Friday's workout and then go immediately back to low carbs. Unless you
really overdo it, you will probably spike yourself back into ketosis by
Saturday morning. The training structure for this approach might be:
Mon: chest and back
Tue: legs and abs
Wed: cardio
Thu: delts and arms
Fri, Sat, Sun: cardio (have your once concentrated carb meal on one of
these days)
Mon: legs, back and bis
Tue: chest, delts, tris, abs
Wed: cardio
Thu: cardio
Fri: high rep depletion workout, begin carbing

The benefits of such an approach are relatively greater fat loss since you
spend proportionally more time (10 days out of 14 vs. 8 days out of 14 if
you carb every weekend) in ketosis. The cons are that it's rather boring
and there may be a greater potential for muscle loss. Again,
experimentation (and frequent body composition measures are key).

2. Objective approach: this approach is much more specific. After glycogen
depletion, the muscles can handle 16 grams of carb/kg of lean body mass
during the first 24 hours and 9 grams of carbs/kg lean body mass during the
second 24. In terms of amounts and quality of carbs, you should emphasize
lots of high glycemic index carbs at the beginning of the carb load and
shift to lower amounts of lower glycemic index carbs towards the end. For
very specific recommendations as to quantity and quality of carbs during
the carb-up, check out Dan Duchaine's Bodyopus book.

During the carb-up phase, several other things are important:
1. Protein: you should consume 1 gram of protein per pound of bodyweight
(or per pound of lean body mass) divided evenly across each 24 hours.
2. Fat: you should consume approximately 15% of your total calories as
essential fatty acids (flax oil, olive oil and walnuts are good sources)
especially near the end of the carb up to slow digestion.
3. Water: for every gram of carbs you consume, you need to consume 3-4
grams of water for optimal refilling of the muscles. This works out to 10
cups of water for a carb intake of 600 grams per day. Unless you're doing
the final carb-up for your contest, I suggest drinking as much water as you
can put down.

Supplements such as vanadyl, chromium and magnesium may help the carb-up
as they have been shown to improve insulin sensitivity and can help to
lower blood glucose. Also, using Hydroxycitric acid (trade name Citrimax)
at 750 mg three times per day helps to shuttle carbs into the muscle cells
and prevent spill over to fat cells. Finally, creatine monohydrate taken
during the carb-up phase should, in theory, lead to more cellular
hyperhydration and possibly cause more anabolism. Definitely useful for
the contest in any case.
More:
http://http://www.thinkmuscle.com/a...ogenic-diet.htm
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Old Sun, Feb-13-05, 07:58
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Plan: Low Carb, No Sugar
Stats: //! Female 5'11
BF:See my Inch Ticker
Progress: 64%
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Heya Dane I have a quick question! I did three sets of 10 squats (ass to floor - and WOO what a feeling! That is no picnic, totally different than parallels! Wow!) ~ 17 kg. (I *thought* the two 1.25 discs were on there then, but I was informed by Holger that NOOO, the 2 2.5 discs were on! LOL!) A good weight I think, I "failed" the last squat of the 3rd set, so YAY!

However, after I was done with my weight stuff, I went onto my HIIT for the day (you know the routine) and was only able to handle ONE rep of the L2-6 because my legs were all jellified. (Not winded at all though, just legs all silly and tired)

So, I was wondering if you'd experienced this? I feel like kind of a fink for not finishing my HIIT, when normally, I can! In fact, it's usually EASIER after weights for some reason, but after those squats, I don't think I can. I think I will wait a bit and try to do the rest, but I don't know yet.

I did: 2 mins L1, 1 min, L2 through L6, 1 min L2 and 2 min L1 = 10 minutes.

Any ideas/advice/suggestions?

Also, have you found any evidence anywhere that there is any reason to take a day off Cardio? Just curious.


~Kimberly

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Plan: Lyle's PSMF
Stats: 226/150/135 Female 5'7.5"
BF:46/20/sliced
Progress: 84%
Location: near Budapest, Hungary
Default Starting CKD/BMR and Maint calcs/hypocal

Ok, after much deliberation and hoo-haw, I have decided to undergo a CKD, or Cyclical Ketogenic Diet. Some people swear by it, some say it added fat, I will be a guinea pig. I'm going to go with Lyle McDonald's writings in developing my routine. I will give it a 12 week trial. If, at any time I feel like total crap for more than a few days, OR, more importantly, it affects my milk, or the gives me any reason to stop, then I'll stop. But I don't foresee any trouble....... really the only thing will be puffing up with water weight each Monday.

I still feel a bit of freedom right now....... that I don't need to rush weight loss due to nursing, but OTOH, I am most likely going to start trying to conceive Baby No. 3 this fall, so I want to whip myself into the best possible shape in order to withstand the hell of pregnancy, and the guaranteed resulting C-section.

OK! Details.........
First, BMR. Using this formula:
Quote:
Women: 655 + 4.36 X Weight (lbs) + 4.32 X Height (inches) – 4.7 X Age = BMR
from The Ministry Of Fitness , I get:
655+ (4,36*180)+ (4,32*67,5)-(4,7*35)=1567 cals.
Add 55% for normal household movement=2430
Add 300cals to support breastfeeding (300-500 rec.)=2730
Add 400cals per day for formal exercise (daily average of all planned)=3130

So, estimated 3130 cals per day for maintenance at this activity level.
If I want to lose, say 2lbs a week, that's 7000/7=1000 less cals per day; 2130 per day to lose. Now, of course, there will only be 5 hypo vs 2 hypercal days, so it will be interesting to see how much fat I actually lose. But as I said, I am playing with these 12 weeks.

I should add that I do believe calories count, as well as what kind they are. For me, anyway. But I also believe our individual biochemistry is too complex, and each situation different, for the above numbers to have value as anything other than a guide.

Now, for these hypo days, I need to eat low carb, to induce ketosis (or near it), and for me, that's 35-40 net carbs. Lyle says to eat 75%fat, 25%protein, trace carbs. I will tweak this to:
138gP=25%P
40gC= 7%C
166gF=68%F
based on 2200 total cals
I will be sure to get my protein and carbs right, let fat fall as it may. It's easy to get obsessed with the numbers, but using a food counting program makes it simple. Also helps that I am the Food Person here,

I will write up my workout and carb-up routines later.......... morning eggs are being digested, and it's time to go workout now. BBL!
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Plan: Lyle's PSMF
Stats: 226/150/135 Female 5'7.5"
BF:46/20/sliced
Progress: 84%
Location: near Budapest, Hungary
Default CKD Carb Up

Alrighty then! You'd think this was the blow-out big party blast session, right? Ha! Nope. If you read through some of the CKD type threads, you'll see people (usually men) eating ANYTHING they want on a carb up. Just ain't so.....at least, not if you want to do it "right". Carb up has specific rules, so you don't lay down fat. You want to eat just the right amount of carbs, the right KIND of carbs, at the right TIME, and with the right macro percentages.

Basically, high carb, just enough protein, low fat.

Ok, so after pooling all the knowledge I've gleaned from the Internet in my little brain, here's what I've come up with for the Mighty Carb Up days.

First, to figure out the macros. For me, at 180lbs, maintenance calories work out to 3,130 (see hypocaloric day above for BMR calc).
First Day
I am carbing up for ~36hrs, beginning at ~noon Friday. So the count officially starts then.
For the first carb up day, one must (should) consume ~1.15xmaint. cals= 3130*1.15=3600 cals.
Best guide for minimum amount of carbs is 8-10gC/kg LBM. (kg=2.2lbs). For me, that's 428-535.
"Less dietary protein is needed when calories/carbohydrates are high". So for me, instead of the 1gP/lb, I'll cut it back to .7-.8/lb=126-144gP.
During the 1st 24 hours, carb goes to muscle, and fat is still burned, so fat, while minimal, can go up to around 88g.
Ideal macro ratios would be: 70%C/15%P/15%F
With 3600 cals:
P=15% x 3600=540/4cals=135gP
C=70% x 3600=2520/4=630gC (yikes, )
F=15% x 3600=540/9cals=60gF

Second Day

Oooops gotta run. To be continued...............

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Plan: Lyle's PSMF
Stats: 226/150/135 Female 5'7.5"
BF:46/20/sliced
Progress: 84%
Location: near Budapest, Hungary
Default CKD Workout Routine/HIIT info

According to Lyle, women have the most GH response to the following routine:
Tension Workout
-moderate weights (75% max)
-multiple long sets...... 3 to 4 sets of 10-12 reps
-about 40-60sec per set
-rest about 60-90sec inbetween sets
All of which I have already been doing,

Prior to Carb up, is the Full Body Depletion Workout
-lower weights (approx 50% less from tension w/o
-circuit format..... 10-20 reps each exercise, 20-40 sec per set
-4 to 5 circuits done, 10-20 quick reps (1 sec up/1 sec down)
-30sec rest between exercises
-3 min rest between circuits

Will try this circuit first: Leg Ext/Flat Bench/Seated Row/Incl Flye/Leg Curl/Incl Bench/Calf Raise/Hammer Curl/Crunches/French Curl

Cardio
Day after carb-up: 30-45m slow-moderate cardio
Days 2-3: Moderate cardio after lifting
Days 4-5: HIIT cardio

HIIT=High Intensity Interval Training
LILD=Low Intensity Long Duration

"By performing slow-moderate cardio early in the week you'll speed the return to ketosis (by emptying the liver stores) and spare muscle glycogen - which you'll need fo lifting. The HIIT later in the week can be shorter in duration, and will likely be somewhat catabolic. Instead of empty stomach you may wish (especially fo the HIIT sessions) to take some pre-workout nutrition. "

"In contrast, if you just go balls-to-the-wall on an empty stomach right from the start you'll likely go catabolic right away, burn out quickly, and probably even slow your return to ketosis."

"Some people will recommend you to do this cardio first thing in the morning to ensure fat loss. People on ckd will burn fat anyway (since thats what they burn all day long), but if its done not first thing in the morning the fat burned will come from food as well. Another trick is to take coffee 30 minutes before cardio because it has been proven that more fat is burned this way."
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HIIT:
First let's calculate your MHR.

MHR = 217 - (0.85 * age)

So for me, age 35, that comes to 187.25 bpm.

If you have a better calculation for your own MHR substitute that in instead of using the formula for MHR.

Next we can get % VO2 max as a percentage of MHR.

So for the short intervals they say you should be at 90-95% VO2 Max, this translates to 94.6-97.8% MHR. So for me that would mean I need to get my heart rate to up around 177 to 183 bmp.

For the longer intervals they say you should be at 85-90% VO2 Max, this translates to 91.4-94.6% MHR. So for me that would mean I need to get my HR to up around 171 to 177 bmp.

For those interested in the calculations used to go from % VO2 Max to MHR here's the math. %MHR=0.64 * %VO2 Max + 37.

So the HIIT workout:
5 min. warm up, and then 8x15 second sprints (HR 177-183) perforated with 50 second recoveries (171-177), and then a 5 minute cooldown.


So, with a 36hr carb up, I will do the following workouts:

Sunday: back to Low carb; 30-45m am LILD cardio; family walk
Monday: Lower Body Tension workout.... 3 sets of 10 reps; followed by BOS abs/hams/ass routine; followed by 30 min LILD on the stationary bike.
Tuesday: Upper Body Tension workout... 3 sets 10 reps; followed by 30min LILD cardio
Wednesday: ab portion of a video;HIIT cardio, 30min
Thursday: HIIT cardio, 30 min
Friday:Full Body Depletion workout. Eat 50g carb from fruit 1-2 hrs prior. Immediately after depletion, begin Carb Up, with 1.5gC/kg LBM, liq carbs.
Saturday: Carb up day; no formal exercise (Rest)

Last edited by dane : Sun, Mar-06-05 at 06:16. Reason: changed workout order
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