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Old Sun, Sep-09-01, 09:25
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I read it to mean that you were goint to use water and herbs in place of soya sauce.

Is your kitchen back in order? You could try broiling it. Dry marinating it over night with salt, pepper, garlic and herbs is really tasty. If you have no concern about salt, using a half teaspoon or so on a thigh and letting it sit for a day or two will even make it taste a bit ham-like. Wash it off an pat dry before cooking.

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Imagine losing approximately 6 lbs. after being on a 'stall' for over 4 months.


I think what has happened is that you have got a handle on how to LC properly. Congratulations!

Karen
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Old Sun, Sep-09-01, 10:51
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Plan: modified Dr. A
Stats: 214.5/214.5/150 Male 66 in.
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Progress: 0%
Location: Mississauga, Ontario
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Thanks for your cooking tips Karen. Will try them out soonest.

My kitchen is about 3/4 done. Still no water, or sink, or counter, but am persevering.

Regards
Joe
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Old Sun, Sep-09-01, 21:54
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Plan: modified Dr. A
Stats: 214.5/214.5/150 Male 66 in.
BF:
Progress: 0%
Location: Mississauga, Ontario
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Day in Cycle: 4
Week: 3
Day: Sunday, Sept. 9/01
Today’s Program: Stillman’s

Foods eaten:
3 H.B. eggs
1 mug green tea
10 oz. braised lamb
3 portions turkey breast
1 1/2 litres water

Calories: 963
Protein: 155 g.
% of protein: 67
Fat: 32 g.
% of fat: 32
Carbohydrates: 2 g.
% of carbohydrates: 1

Activity: walked 1/2 mile

Measurements: 180 lbs. this morning

Thoughts: i wonder if my weight will stall, so that my body will get use to this 6 pound loss. I have been wondering what kind of analysis can be done on the 4 week statistics that I will be conpiling with tis Journal. Why did Doreens weight rebound, after dropping to 174.5?

Calorie Boost day is tomorrow. I don't think that I can comfortably hit the targeted 2340 calories. Why did Karen decide on using 13 calories . per pound body weight instead of 10 or 8?
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Old Sun, Sep-09-01, 22:28
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Stats: 162/124/120 Female 5'1"
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Hi, Joe!

It wasn't Karen's (or my) decision; we were following the plan outline that some friends of Stina's were doing with great success, which Stina described in her journal.

I believe the rationale behind the 13 times body weight is so that, after consuming very few calories on Fat Fast and Stillman days, your body doesn't think it's about to starve and slow down your metabolism. Avoiding 'starvation mode,' which will stall weight loss, is why we need to keep calories up. The suggested figure for continuing weight loss is 10 to 12 times body weight. The Calorie Boost days are a bit higher to counteract the previous day's low intake.

Rachel

PS: You're doing really well, BTW!
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Old Mon, Sep-10-01, 08:02
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Well friends, I finally broke 180 lbs!

This morning I am down one pound to 179 lbs.

Will try to keep it below 180 until my next Fat Fast.

Thanks Rachel for your information regarding the Fat Boost days.

I still think that 13 calories per pound is too high. I believe that if you do not have any hunger pangs during Fat Fast and Stillman's Day, it should not make your body think it is going into "starvation mood". Therefore the normal LC day calories should be adequate to maintain your weight until the next Fat Fast, etc.

By the way which plan maintains that 10 to 12 times calories times body weight will help to keep you losing weight?

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Joe
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Old Mon, Sep-10-01, 08:50
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This morning I am down one pound to 179 lbs.

I still think that 13 calories per pound is too high.

By the way which plan maintains that 10 to 12 times calories times body weight will help to keep you losing weight?


Way to go, Joe!!!! That's wonderful!

I don't necessarily disagree with you re the 13 calories per pound, and I think that, especially for those with large amounts of weight to lose, it needs tweaking (who can eat 4000+ cals/day unless you're doing heavy labour?). This Study is something that hasn't really been done before, so we're learning as we go along.

As for the 10-12 times body weight .... this is a good question. I've been reading this particular piece of wisdom on various boards, and I, too, would like to know where it originates. It seems to be 'conventional' LC wisdom that could use checking out. As a ballpark figure, it does, however, seem to work - witness your own amazing success with increasing calories! According to your earlier posts, you didn't seem to be eating enough.

Rachel
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Old Mon, Sep-10-01, 09:31
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If you use a good search engine - I like Google - and search for basal metabolic rate, you'll find lots of the same explanation for the 10-12 calorie a day question.

Karen
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Old Mon, Sep-10-01, 20:21
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Plan: modified Dr. A
Stats: 214.5/214.5/150 Male 66 in.
BF:
Progress: 0%
Location: Mississauga, Ontario
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Day in Cycle: 5
Week: 3
Day: Monday, Sept. 10/01
Today’s Program: Calorie Boost

Foods eaten:
2 scrambled eggs
6 slices beef salami
1 mug green tea
2 chicken drumsticks with skin
2 cups lettuce
3 tblspns. oil and vinegar salad dressing
1 oz. macadamia nuts
1 5 oz. ground beef pattie
3 cups broccoli
4 tblspns. sesame oil
1 1/2 litres water

Calories: 2046
Protein: 97 g.
% of protein: 19
Fat: 173 g.
% of fat: 77
Carbohydrates: 37 g. (- 18 g. fibre = 19 g.)
% of carbohydrates: 4

Activity: walked 1/2 mile

Measurements: 179 lbs. this morning.

Thoughts:
I have been following Karen's advise and studying and calculating my BMR to learn how many calories I should eat to continue to lose weight and later maintain. I don't believe it is solely the carbohydrate grams that dictate the rate of change.
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Old Tue, Sep-11-01, 19:40
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Plan: modified Dr. A
Stats: 214.5/214.5/150 Male 66 in.
BF:
Progress: 0%
Location: Mississauga, Ontario
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Day in Cycle: 6
Week: 3
Day: Tuesday, Sept. 11/01
Today’s Program: Regular LC

Foods eaten:
2 egg white omelet
1 oz. cheddar cheese
1 cup coffee (regular)
i small roasted turkey breast
2 tblspns mayo
2 cups lettuce
1/2 cup sour cream
1 cup lettuce
2 tblspns oil and vinegar salad dressing
1 tin sardines in oil
2 oz. macadamia nuts
1 1/2 litres water

Calories: 1474
Protein: 74 g.
% of protein: 20
Fat: 126 g.
% of fat: 77
Carbohydrates: 20 g. (- 8 g. fibre = 12 g.)
% of carbohydrates: 3

Activity: walked 1/2 mile

Measurements: 179.5 lbs. this morning.

Thoughts: I had to force myself to eat 1474 calories today.

Learned from the Internet that my BMR (basal metabolic rate) is between 1464 and 1536 calories, and to lose weight I should eat close to, but no less than 1200 calories per day.

My AMR (maintanence) probably is about 1830 calories.

So my daily low carb programme should total closer to 1200/1500 calories until I get to my ideal weight, which should be around 155 lbs. maximum.

I think I got this information correct; as I spent a day and 1/2 studying all the BMR and AMR calculations available on the Internet.
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Old Wed, Sep-12-01, 07:07
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Plan: modified Dr. A
Stats: 214.5/214.5/150 Male 66 in.
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Progress: 0%
Location: Mississauga, Ontario
Unhappy

More Thoughts:

Woke up this morning to find that I have increased my weight to 181 lbs. I wonder if the sour cream and cheese and regular coffee had any bearing on this result.

Oh well, my problem is miniscule compared to the horrible tragedy that has occurred yesterday in New York and Washington.

My deepest sympathies go out to the relatives who have to live with this the rest of their lives.

Joe
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Old Wed, Sep-12-01, 20:43
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Plan: modified Dr. A
Stats: 214.5/214.5/150 Male 66 in.
BF:
Progress: 0%
Location: Mississauga, Ontario
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Day in Cycle: 7
Week: 3
Day: Wednesday, Sept. 12/01
Today’s Program: Regular LC

Foods eaten:
2 H.B. eggs
1 mug green tea
1 fried cod filet
2 cups cauliflower
1 oz. cheddar cheese
2 tblspns. canola oil
2 cups lettuce
1 small cucumber
6 slices bacon
3 tblspns. oil and vinegar salad dressing
5 slices pepperoni
1 1/2 litres water

Calories: 1508
Protein: 77 g.
% of protein: 21
Fat: 124 g.
% of fat: 75
Carbohydrates: 27 g. (- 11 g. fibre = 16 g.)
% of carbohydrates: 4

Activity: walked 1/2 mile

Measurements: 181 lbs. this morning

Thoughts: I have consistently been eating well over 120 g. of fat daily. This has been in the 70% + range. I am not certain that this is a healthy way to eat.?! I have to check if Dr. A. advocates this much fat.



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Old Thu, Sep-13-01, 18:50
jomil jomil is offline
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Plan: modified Dr. A
Stats: 214.5/214.5/150 Male 66 in.
BF:
Progress: 0%
Location: Mississauga, Ontario
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Day in Cycle: 1
Week: 4
Day: Thursday, Sept. 13/01
Today’s Program: Regular LC

Foods eaten:
2 egg white omelet
6 slices beef salami
1 mug green tea
2 chicken drumsticks with skins
5 chicken giblets
1 cup cauliflower
2 tblspns. oil and vinegar dressing
1 grounf beef pattie
1/2 can mushrooms
1 1/2 litres water

Calories: 1472
Protein: 149 g.
% of protein: 42
Fat: 85 g.
% of fat: 53
Carbohydrates: 23 g. (- 6 g. fibre = 17 g.)
% of carbohydrates: 5

Activity: walked 1/2 mile

Measurements: still holding this morning at 181 lbs.

Thoughts: Fat Fast is tomorrow. Can I get back down to 179 lbs.

This is the beginning of the 4th and last week.

Kitchen still not finished.
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Old Thu, Sep-13-01, 20:23
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Default Good Stuff Joe

Just finished reading up on your journal Joe. You're putting in a great effort towards your goal.. I agree a couple pounds on the scope of what's been happening is NOTHING.

Keep well, happy....and working the way you have been and I know that eventually you'll win the war with the weight you want to lose.

Hopefully, you'll get your kitchen back together soon. I'm sure it's very frustrating!!
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Old Fri, Sep-14-01, 19:26
jomil jomil is offline
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Plan: modified Dr. A
Stats: 214.5/214.5/150 Male 66 in.
BF:
Progress: 0%
Location: Mississauga, Ontario
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Day in Cycle: 2
Week: 4
Day: Friday, Sept. 14/01
Today’s Program: Fat Fast

Foods eaten:
6 tblspns cream cheese
12 pork rinds
1 mug green tea
2 oz. macadamia nuts
2 cups lettuce
3 tblspns oil and vinegar salad dressing
1 1/2 litres water

Calories: 1004
Protein: 20 g.
% of protein: 8
Fat: 101 g.
% of fat: 89
Carbohydrates: 15 g. (- 7 g. fibre = 8 g.)
% of carbohydrates: 3

Activity: walked 1/2 mile

Measurements: 181 lbs. still

Thoughts: Can hardly waot to weigh tomorrow morning. Thanks Sharon for your kind thoughts.
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Old Sat, Sep-15-01, 07:51
jomil jomil is offline
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Plan: modified Dr. A
Stats: 214.5/214.5/150 Male 66 in.
BF:
Progress: 0%
Location: Mississauga, Ontario
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More Thoughts:

Well, Fat Fast seemed to do it again.

This morning I am back down to 179.5 lbs.

Will see what Stillman's Lean does in two days, before I decide which way to direct my LC WOE.
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