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Old Tue, Jun-17-03, 16:35
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Default Any one taking HGH to speed up weightloss?

Does anyone take HGH ? I was wondering how well it worked.


These are the effects that have been reported from taking HGH.

1. Excellent weight loss.
2. 8.8% average increase in muscle mass after 6 months with no change in excercise pattern.
3. Higher energy levels and increased excercise performance.
4. Enhanced sexual performance for both men and women.
5. Regrowth of heart, spleen, liver, kidneys and other vital organs that shrink with age.
6. Greater cardiac output, superior immune function, better kidney function.
7. Lowered blood pressure, improved cholesterol profile, higher HDL and lower LDL.
8. Younger skin, wrinkle removal, tightening of skin, reduction of cellulite.
9. Hair regrowth.
10. Sharper vision.
11. Mood elevation.
12. Increased memory retention.
13. Improved sleep.
14. More vascularity, strength and muscle definition.
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Old Tue, Jun-17-03, 18:08
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Huh?? I think I can say one thing, and have complete confidence in its correctness: NO ONE on this board is taking hgh. NO ONE. REAL hgh (not the crap you're going to find online or in a supplement store) is available by prescription ONLY, is incredibly expensive, and is nothing to play with....
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Old Tue, Jun-17-03, 18:11
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No I'm not talking about the prescription kind I'm talking about the supplement, over the counter.
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Old Wed, Jun-18-03, 10:51
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Natural supplements, a proprietary blend of amino acids and precursor nutrients will enhance the body's natural production of HGH and IGF-1. Studies have shown that amino acids such as arginine, glutamine and lysine can significantly increase the production of HGH. In addition, supplements such as GABA and Broad bean can have a very positive effect on HGH production. Yes. Diet, exercise and lifestyle all have an impact on HGH levels. Certain foods can spike HGH levels and exercise leads to an increase in HGH. In addition, something as simple as getting more sleep can increase your HGH levels. Our pituitary gland produces HGH while we are in deep sleep. Therefore, the more we sleep the more opportunity we have to produce HGH. Atkins advantage has some of the same ingredients as the precursor supplements do. I have been researching this for a while and it looks very interesting.
I heard there are a few good products and alot of bad ones out there, do some research before you buy. I am looking at two products, ProminoPlus and Pro hGH.
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Cool thanks for the info socalshark, that's exactly the info I was looking for, you will have to let me know how it works for you and which one you chose.
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Default Got my HGH yesterday

I got my HGH yesterday, holy crap, so far I'm impressed with this stuff I didn't think it would start working so fast, but I have so much energy today I can not believe it! The bottle say's it takes 3 months for the full effects, but so far I like the increase in energy and it doesn't have ephedra or caffine, so I guess it's the amino acids that's causing the effects. Now if I can lose weight faster I will really be impressed.
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Laural,

Could you share with us where you got the HGH, how much it costs, how many times or pills a day do you have to take, and anything else about it?

Thanks and good luck to you!
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Asipleaz,


Here's the info, I got it from ISS Research online. Just do a search for Iss Research.

I've been taking it for 3 days, I have more energy, and I'm starting to lose weight again, I was in a stall. So I will try it for a month and see if it's worth the money.

The name of it is - hGH Promino Plus it's a 30 day supply from ISS Research. It's $49.95

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hGH Promino Plus is simply the most advanced hormone optimizing system ever developed! hGH Promino Plus is an advanced 2 part gH and IGF-1 precursor system. It builds and further advances Growth Hormone Secretagogue Research. Unlike other formulas that were only developed to rejuvenate the elderly, hGH Promino Plus has been specifically formulated with the athlete’s goals in mind. ISS Research has discovered a way to optimize Growth Hormone release and utilization to match an athlete's own unique circadian rhythm. As you can imagine the body of a young healthy athlete functions very differently from one of an elderly individual with a sedentary lifestyle. hGH Promino Plus is specifically targeted for individuals who want to absolutely maximize their growth potential, decrease their post-workout recovery time and minimize their body fat levels in the shortest time possible. In other words, it is only intended for individuals who possess the desire and commitment to achieve the type of physique and athletic performance that others only dream about. This important distinction is what seperates hGH Promino Plus from all the other GHRP formulas currently available. They are not formulated specifically for athletes and are not as effective for this reason.

How is hGH Promino Plus different from the other formulas?
As mentioned above, hGH Promino Plus was developed specifically to match the needs and goals of the athlete. It accomplishes this by providing you with both an AM and PM formula. Each are individually formulated to give your body exactly what it needs when it needs it. The AM and PM formulas are optimized to work in conjunction with your body’s own circadian rhythm. In plain english... hGH Promino Plus optimizes and maximizes GH Secretion and IGF-1 at all times! It is like putting your body on cruise control running at maximum efficiency day and night. The result is at least twice the amount hGH stimulation as could be obtained from other formulas.

Why do you need an AM and PM Formula?
Your body functions differently at different times of the day and night. It carries on completely different processes according to the time of day. This is known as the body’s clock or circadian rhythm. For example, you naturally release your largest amount of GH within the first 3-5 hours of sleep. it is necessary for you to reach stage 3-4 R.E.M. for this to occur. That is why the other formulas need to be taken just before going to bed to be effective at all. The hGH Promino Plus PM Formula is designed to capitalize on this natural GH release. It also contains some very specific ingredients like “Compound K” that the other formulas don’t have. “Compound K” can only absorbed by the body during the first three hours of sleep. The absorption of “Compound K” coincides with your body’s peak GH release and greatly optimizes GH release and transport during the sleeping hours. The result is a much deeper more restful and productive sleep. You wake up feeling refreshed and renewed. However; ISS Research didn't stop there. hGH Promino Plus picks up where the other formulas fall short. The hGH Promino Plus AM Formula is designed to continue to optimize GH Secretion and IGF-1, but it also contains many additional advanced ingredients that energize your body throughout the day. It is designed to perpetuate the increased nighttime GH release and further utilize the benefits from higher IGF-1 levels circulating in the body. The AM Formula contains several unique nutrients such as Pro Cosanoid. It works by increasing eicosanoids, the "Super Hormones" that control the body's hormone system and maintain the dynamic balance of biological energy. It also accelerates your body's efficiency for greater energy, clearer thinking and improved immune function. It also contains Endo Pro Plus (Tribulus) that has demonstrated to be very effective at raising luteinizing hormone (LH), a pituitary hormone that triggers testosterone production. Tribulus is best known for its use as a potent sexual stimulant for both men and women. The raised Testosterone works synergistically with the increased IGF-1 levels and further increases the anabolic effects.

How does hGH Promino Plus avoid getting broken down in the stomach?
The hGH Promino Plus contains Clorifate. It is a proprietary mixture of Buffered Effervescent Catalysts that activate the formulas and protect them from hydrochloric acid breakdown in the stomach. Without Clorifate to protect the delicate and precise Aminotrope-7 molecule and other complex ingredients they would be broken down before they have a chance to reach the target tissues. The Clorifate is very effective at “chaperoning” the formulas through the stomach. It escorts the compounds intact and ensures that they arrive safely to the targeted tissues so that they can produce the desired effects.

The increases in GH and IGF-1 will have no effect at all if they cannot be utilized properly. That is why hGH Promino Plus includes pharmaceutical mono, poly and oligo saccharides in each formula. These pharmaceutical sugars have been added to the formulas to help remove the toxins that desensitize receptor sites over the years. Scientists now believe that this toxin buildup is a major contributor to our aging process. These toxins accumulate as we age and are caused primarily by dietary and environmental pollution. This cleansing process is extremely important to be able to realize the benefits of the increased GH and IGF-1 levels. It also makes hGH Promino Plus the only 2 part GH and IGF-1 precursor system that can be taken daily all year.

What should I do to get the full effect from hGH Promino Plus?
hGH Promino Plus is so complete that you do not need to take a lot of other supplements with it to get great results. In this regard, it is both very convenient and highly cost effective. However; many report incredible gains when they combine hGH Promino Plus with the New Complete Stack Power high potency pro-hormone stack. These Anabolic Pro-Hormones work synergistically with each other and further multiply the desired muscle building effects. Creatine Effervescent Power is also very beneficial since it provides your muscles with the "Raw Fuel" they need for maximum intensity and performance on a cellular level. The Creatine Effervescent Power is ideal to "stack" with hGH Promino Plus since it contains no dextrose. This helps avoid any counterproductive insulin spikes common with creatine transport drinks. It is highly recommended that you limit your intake of simple sugars. Excessive sugar throws off your insulin balance and surpresses hGH Promino Plus's ability to produce significant gains in IGF-1 levels. Ultimately, you should follow a diet that is low in sugar, moderate in complex carbohydrates, moderate in unsaturated fats and high in protein. Eat the bulk of your fruits and vegetables in the morning and noon meals. Try to eat your evening meal three hours prior to taking the PM formula. This will ensure that there is nothing in your digestion that will interfere with the uptake. The AM formula should be taken as soon as you wake up in the morning. Try to avoid eating for at least 30-45 minutes. If maximum fat burning is desired you should work-out within 90 minutes after taking the AM Formula on an empty stomach. This will also help you to release more Growth Hormone. It is important to note that this formula is so effective that several report feeling and seeing the effects without ANY change in diet and exercise patterns.

What effects have been reported from higher Growth Hormone and IGF-1 levels?
1. Excellent weight loss without dieting or excercising.
2. 8.8% average increase in muscle mass after 6 months with no change in excercise pattern.
3. Higher energy levels and increased excercise performance.
4. Enhanced sexual performance for both men and women.
5. Regrowth of heart, spleen, liver, kidneys and other vital organs that shrink with age.
6. Greater cardiac output, superior immune function, better kidney function.
7. Lowered blood pressure, improved cholesterol profile, higher HDL and lower LDL.
8. Younger skin, wrinkle removal, tightening of skin, reduction of cellulite.
9. Hair regrowth.
10. Sharper vision.
11. Mood elevation.
12. Increased memory retention.
13. Improved sleep.
14. More vascularity, strength and muscle definition.


What's in it?
PM Nutrition Facts:
Serving Size: 1 Packet with water
Servings Per Container: 30
Amount Per Serving:
Calories: 4
Calories from fat: 0
Value:
Total Fat: 0g Simple Sugars: 1g
Protein: 0g
Sodium: 35mg
Potassium: 196mg

AM Nutritional Facts:
Serving Size: 1 Packet with water
Servings Per Container: 30
Amount Per Serving:
Calories: 4
Calories from fat: 0
Value:
Total Fat: 0g
Simple Sugars: 1g
Protein: 0g
Sodium: 35mg
Potassium: 196mg

Ingredients - AM FORMULA: Mono, Poly Peptides, Aminotrope-7 (a sequenced glycoamino complex), Novel Polyose Complex (pharmaceutical mono, poly and oligo saccharides), 2-Hydroxy-1,2,3-propanetricarboxylic Acid, ENDO PRO PLUS, PRO COSANOID, naturally occurring Dolomite, all in a base of L-Glutamine, L-Arginine, L-Pyroglutamate, GABA, L-Glycine, L-Lysine, L-Tyrosine, Citrus Solids, combined with Clorifate (a proprietary mixture of Buffered Effervescent Catalysts).

Ingredients - PM FORMULA: Aminotrope-7 (a sequenced glycoamino complex), compound K, Bulgarian Stanatropin, Novel Polyose Complex (pharmaceutical mono, poly and oligo saccharides), 2-Hydroxy-1,2,3-propanetricarboxylic Acid, ENDO PRO PLUS, Berry Solids, naturally occurring Dolomite, all in a base of L-Glutamine, L-Arginine, L-Pyroglutamate, GABA, L-Glycine, L-Lysine, L-Tyrosine, combined with Clorifate (a proprietary mixture Synthetic GH has to be injected of Buffered Effervescent Catalysts).


Suggested use:
Mix one packet with 4oz water or juice into a tall glass before bedtime for PM and immediately after awakening for AM. Wait for reactive foam to reduce, then drink.
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Old Fri, Jun-27-03, 15:20
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Just thought I should point out that ALL the health benefits quoted have only been demonstrated with actual (REAL) HGH injections, not "HGH releasers", "enhancers", or any commercial supplement. I've got a feeling that after this product has taken a dump in the bodybuilding/strength community, the companies have now chosen to push it on a less knowledgeable public. $50 for a 30-day supply is a pretty good deal on ISS; I would have expected to pay around $60. It's all a matter of economics; I'd rather put that money to good use than spend it on a product of dubious efficacy.

Just my 0.02...
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Old Fri, Jun-27-03, 15:43
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The health benefits that have been quoted ARE by having increased levels of hGH or IGF-1 in the body. If this can be produced by Promino plus instead of having synthetic hGH injections there is no difference how it got there except there are no bad side effects by real, produced in your body hGH, unlike the synthetic hGH witch does have side effects. I also have been using it and have noticed a lot more energy and I feel more pumped and lot 2-3 pounds last week and have had an increate in positive results in the gym. Have you had any personnel experience with it or is just something you have read? I will be having a blood test soon to find out how much the IGF-1 levels have gone up. I will let you know when I do.
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Old Fri, Jun-27-03, 15:46
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Doiron, Hmmm...if I went along with your line of thinking then I wouldn't be doing Atkins either. How many years have we heard that there were no research that supports Dr. Atkins findings? And But
since I tend to listen to my own opinion instead of being told what to think I am happily losing weight on Atkins, and now the
HGH supplements have kicked my weight loss in high gear, and I have a ton of energy and need less sleep. If it does all the rest of the stuff it say's then that's just icing on the cake.

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Shark, what are your IGF-1 levels now? How much GABA is in your product?

To Laura, you are comparing a supplement company's advertising to Atkins' book. Big difference. Atkins only recently came out with all his supplements (at least relative to when he wrote his first book)...if you wanted to just go to the library, check out his book, and eat the Atkins way without buying any of his supplements, you could. Also, there has at least been research supporting some of Atkins' claims...zero on Proamino or any of the other stuff...

Fine, "listen to your own opinion" or whatever, although from my vantage point it looks like you've just chosen to swallow an advertising claim with no evidence to support it. Hey, you two have already spent your money. My posts on this subject are more to give others in this forum a different view. I've been lifting for about 15 years and I've seen all the tricks of the supplement industry, and how they've changed over the years. The average-Joe (or Josie) is typically a few years behind the lifters in supplement hype, and usually much more dependent on the advice of a retail sales clerk....Hey, it's your money!
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Doiron, boy you sure assume a lot, first off you missed understood my answer, I'm not talking about Atkins supplements, or a book, I'm talking about low carb eating and how for years there was no evidence to back it up but now people are starting to come around and studies are showing it works.

2nd, your assuming I have never lifted, I have, before my son was born.

3rd, you assumed I saw the advertisement first then bought the supplements, wrong, I read about hgh first then decided to buy the supplements online not in a store, and not by a clerk.

4th, everything you are saying is not based on any personal experience, and it doesn't sound like you know anyone who has used the product, and your whole view is based on something you have read. Boy I'm glad I didn't listen to the people that told me that low carbing doesn't work just because they read it some where.
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>>I'm talking about low carb eating and how for years there was no evidence to back it up

Studies on low carb diets date back to pre-1960s. Pennington, 1953; Kekwick et al. 1956, and 1957...in fact, the low-carb diet appeared as a bodybuilding definition diet in the late 50's and 60's, and dropping carbs out of the diet before a contest has been standard practice pretty much since then.

>>2nd, your assuming I have never lifted

My comments about lifters were not directed at you in particular but at the forum population in general. I would not characterize the average forum member as a hardcore weightlifter - and I think most would agree with me. My simple point is that if you look at the history of sports supplements, what started out as a small range of products marketed to athletes and weightlifters has become a multimillion dollar industry directed at everyone - sedentary people included. In many cases, it would be worthwhile for "non-lifters" to heed the words of advice on supplementation from experienced weightlifters -- as I said, they're typically the first group a supplement is marketed to, and have real-world experience wading through the hype and ad claims.

But, since you used to be a lifter, let me ask you: remember in the 1980's when arginine and ornithine were hyped as growth hormone releasers? Of course, the supplement companies didn't mention that the only studies demonstrating that these amino acids elevated growth hormone levels were intravenous injections in the decagram range!! Maybe you remember GHB (banned by the FDA in 1990), and its cousin GABA? We don't have to get into GHB, moot since it's illegal, but what about GABA? Your thoughts?

>>3rd, you assumed I saw the advertisement first then bought the supplements, wrong, I read about hgh first

I didn't assume that you saw ISS Research's ad first; however, I do admit to assuming that you saw someone's ad to make this decision. I apologize. In what impartial news media or scientific journal did you read about the wonderful effects of commercially available growth hormone "releasers"?

>>everything you are saying is not based on any personal experience

Have you seen how many supplements are out there these days?? What, do I have to use every single one before I can comment? Get real.

>>it doesn't sound like you know anyone who has used the product

Would you feel better if I conducted a poll at the gym?

>>your whole view is based on something you have read.

Not my whole view. A majority of my view is based on clinical studies and research, yes. As it should be, as opposed to "personal experience". The second is common sense. Growth hormone has a valid medical use as treatment for pituitary disorders and a few other conditions (anti-aging/life extension is not necessarily viewed -at least by the government- as a valid medical use). Several pharmaceutical companies have pursued research in growth hormone secretagogues - hexapeptides, or chemically bonded amino acids. (At least one supplement manufacturer actually includes "secretagogue" in the product name - despite containing none...) The research so far has ultimately been disappointing; although increases in GH levels are seen in the first week, the effect drops off 40% in the second week, and tapers off another 10% or so for the next six weeks. So what you say? I only got a 30-day supply anyway? Well, this is a *pharmaceutical compound*, a chemically bonded hexapeptide! Not that little mix of aminos and GABA you're taking!! (Clearly total aminos are only in the mg range!) Must be that "secret ingredient", that "Aminotrope" or "Compound K", right? The one that the big pharmaceuticals couldn't discover, but a dinky supplement company could? (Advice for the non-lifters: Might want to consider asking a weightlifter about his opinion of supplement companies, too.)

Like I said, it's your money. There's always the placebo effect...
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OHMIGOD please tell me I didn't get to you so badly that you had to spend all this time researching this stuff...on a friday night.....to prove to me...someone you don't even know that you are supposedly right???

Puleeease....here is some friendly advice, stop being so obsessive and go out it's if friday night and enjoy yourself! I am! Bye
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