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Originally Posted by soule72
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I'm sorry. It sounds like you are doing everything right. I know it can be frustrating. I *have* lost on the JK plan, but not as much as I had hoped to - and every time the plan goes a little bit off (meaning I still keep carbs low, but that protein goes up and fat goes down - which is usually the case if I am eating out) I *gain* back again.
Like this past holiday weekend where I went out to eat several meals - still very strict low carb with carbs about 30g or less each day - but more protein and less fat than I usually eat, and I gained five pounds in two days - and so far have only lost one since getting back on track.
For me having more fat and more calories seems to do best for weight loss. I remember Pangolina saying in one of the threads that JK said it can take *months* for the metabolism to heal when you first start on his plan, so weight loss might not happen right away. I know this is hard to imagine as of course we ALL want it to happen RIGHT AWAY.
Remember that JK puts *all* his patients at his clinic on a 3000-calorie-a-day diet! This plan is not supposed to be calorie restricted. My son follows Matt Stone's '180 degree health' plan which is virtually identical to JK's, so some of the comments from his e-book may apply, as I feel they are the same as JK's attitude. Among some of the comments(which seem to match JK's, based on all the posts from Pangolina):
This program is one built upon the core understanding of the metabolic changes causing proper weight regulation to short circuit. From there, the guidelines you follow are designed to repair the fundamental flaws.. It is taking the human metabolism, understanding it, and working with it to bring harmony back into place. Believe it or not, the longer you follow the plan, the harder it will get to gain weight, and the easier it will be to lose it, because the cause of unnecessary fat accumulation is addressed and improved upon.
This ain’t no dime a dozen celebrity fad diet, so don’t treat it like one. Use it, starting today, to slowly and steadily move in a direction of better health and a better version of you. For those who haven’t already damaged themselves beyond repair, this is the passport to such a place – a place free of unstable emotions, cravings, addictions, fat accumulation, and other such symptoms of a person in peril. Try it first, for an extended period of time, then decide what you think of it. Whatever you do, don’t ever starve yourself again. Food is your friend.
So, like JK, his program is based on *healing* the metabolism, not fighting it. He also stresses:
And don’t get caught up on the inclusion or exclusion of certain foods. All foods that humans have cherished and thrived upon for centuries and millennia, in their unadulterated state, are acceptable, healthy foods...Instead, we’ll look into how certain foods behave in the body, choosing some while excluding or minimizing others.
I know Pangolina kept stressing this also, not to start "tweaking" with eliminating this food and that food until and unless you had given it a good few months - clearly not the case if you avoid certain foods for health issues (like gluten for me) or religious reasons (like pork for you), but applies to all other "optimal" foods.
He warns:
If eating normal amounts of food with a normal amount of physical activity makes you fat, then you have a damaged metabolism and need to heal. Creating a calorie deficit damages the metabolism further. It makes your disorder worse, not better.The key; however, as many low carb enthusiasts fail to note, is that, for optimal function, the body still requires a great deal of energy. Instead they tout the amazing ability to not be hungry on 1,500 calories a day or whatever. Since many people are deluded into thinking that it requires eating a low calorie diet to lose weight, the high protein, low fat variety of the low carb diet becomes the typical version followed. That of course is fueled by the collective fat phobia. Even on a diet in which fat intake is encouraged, many people remain reluctant. Contrary to common belief, going really high in protein while keeping fat at moderate levels pales in comparison to what can be achieved on a high fat, moderate protein version.
Again, I think this is right in line with JK's thinking, also that of Barry Groves. I know it does *not* agree with with Matt proposes,
. And based on his stats Matt has certainly had wonderful success with his plan. But we are not all the same, and we all have different levels of metabolism damage. I think my own, sadly, is pretty badly damaged. Yours may be too based on how difficult it is to lose.
And more and more my reading leads me to believe that *healing my metabolism* is far more important that trying to lose weight, and that if my metabolism heals then the weight loss will follow. And also from my reading (Taubes, JK threads and boards, Barry Groves, 180 degree health, and others) I truly feel that *higher fat, higher calorie* is the way to heal.
So far I've lost 8.5 pounds since April 11 when I began the OD, with a few small setbacks - and that after being stalled for a while at a higher weight. So far my losses have all come after days when I've eaten higher cal (typically upwards of 3000 calories ago, as recommended by JK, or even more) and higher fat - and my gains have come when I cut calories, up protein, cut fat.
So does this help YOU? Maybe not, but I just wanted to encourage you with the idea that maybe you are NOT doing anything wrong, just still in healing mode, and need to give it time. In one of the threads I recall Pangolina saying that JK said in some cases it could take *months* on the Optimal plan to achieve a level of healing that allowing for weight loss. In the meantime I'm trying not to do too much tweaking or food eliminating, and want to see what will happen as time goes on.
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