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Old Fri, Jun-22-07, 12:57
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Thought that I'd share today's entry from Tom Venuto's Burn the Fat blog: Listen To Maintainers, Not To Losers

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Old Fri, Jun-22-07, 13:59
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Well, that's too bad. According to his "criteria," I don't belong here, giving advice.
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Old Fri, Jun-22-07, 18:06
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I do agree with his 5 key points for maintenance:
tracking calories
tracking body weight
planning meals
tracking fat
measuring amount of food on plate

By my difference is that I make sure I get plenty of fat & calories. Skimping on fat & calories always led to my downfall in the past. Since I use software & have all my usual foods listed with net carbs in the dictionary, the measuring & tracking takes little extra time.
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Old Thu, Apr-21-11, 14:11
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I do agree with his 5 key points for maintenance:
tracking calories
tracking body weight
planning meals
tracking fat
measuring amount of food on plate

Well I agree with the principle that one should follow the advice of those who have demonstrated not only the ability to lose weight but also proven they can as easily maintain that weight loss.
But who really believes that tracking calories, body weight, planning meals, tracking fat and weighing every item on every plate is a sensible way to proceed.

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I certainly don't bother with any of that time wasting crap. You have to understand how your body naturally regulates your appetite and energy levels and set about restoring those natural control systems.

Does anyone really think that wild animals living on their natural diets, in their natural environments have to count calories in, fat content or plan their meals?
Neither do we, if we understand the basics of what a low carb paleo style diet is all about.
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Old Thu, Apr-21-11, 14:56
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Those of us who have spent most of a lifetime fighting the Weight Creep yearn for the simplicity of "just eating." No tracking, no measuring, no planning.

Guess that's been the beauty of LC for me. I just get my dietary wheels in the groove and go.
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Old Thu, Apr-21-11, 15:17
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Originally Posted by Hutchinson
Well I agree with the principle that one should follow the advice of those who have demonstrated not only the ability to lose weight but also proven they can as easily maintain that weight loss.
But who really believes that tracking calories, body weight, planning meals, tracking fat and weighing every item on every plate is a sensible way to proceed.

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I certainly don't bother with any of that time wasting crap. You have to understand how your body naturally regulates your appetite and energy levels and set about restoring those natural control systems.

Does anyone really think that wild animals living on their natural diets, in their natural environments have to count calories in, fat content or plan their meals?
Neither do we, if we understand the basics of what a low carb paleo style diet is all about.

Not to get into a debate with you on this, Hutch as I have a lot of respect for you and all your knowledge....BUT...for me it is also about my emotional eating and I have to be very conscious of that as an aspect of my long term maintenance.
I take all portion controls very seriously and it does help me to do that.
For many of us, low carb has enabled us to get a handle on our food addictions but the emotional eating( compulsive overeating) is still there and has to be dealt with ....all the time!


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Ive been on the general message board and have consistently observed that the best advice comes from maintainers ...even pre-maintenance..
.the stories of those who lost then regained all and maybe more...also often understand the attitudes that got them where they are now have given me good insight on what to watch in my own attitude....

I think Im irritated at the whining...the "I only lost 3 lbs this week and Im ready to quit" "Im gonna eat off plan, thats OK right" I know its a learning process but for now I think Ill stay in the maintain lane for the most part.

I hear you and am in total agreement!!
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Old Fri, Apr-22-11, 02:37
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For many of us, low carb has enabled us to get a handle on our food addictions but the emotional eating( compulsive overeating) is still there and has to be dealt with ....all the time!
But surely understanding how our omega 3 (particularly DHA) status is required in order to improve our ability to control addictive behaviours and regulate impulsivity
It takes a good while to reduce current high omega 6 levels and increase the omega 3 levels but if you want to improve resistance to addictive/compulsive overeating it's essential. It certainly helps people who are prone to self harm and it's not that much of a stretch of the imagination to say knowingly eating foods that you know will wreck your weight loss strategy is tantamount to self harm.
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Old Sat, Oct-27-12, 00:22
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Originally Posted by Hutchinson

Does anyone really think that wild animals living on their natural diets, in their natural environments have to count calories in, fat content or plan their meals?
Neither do we, if we understand the basics of what a low carb paleo style diet is all about.


I think you have a point... to a degree. Now bear in mind that I'm not trying to say that we're all "victims" to our food environment, but let me just say this. Animals out in the wild have never had access to white flour. Sure, maybe sugar cane in tropical climates and fruit. Just like our ancestors, animals today do not have the access to the high-carb junk food we have today. It's everywhere, it's ready, and it's highly accessible.

With that being said, I do agree that we can retrain our system/appetite such that the cravings aren't as strong. But unless we're super-strict with taking the right vitamins, eating the right macros, doing the right kind of wellness therapy (be that yoga, aerobic, or weight-bearing exercise), we are susceptible to cravings. I know this firsthand because I have a period every month and my craving for chocolate is INTENSE. And I'm not perfect with taking my magnesium (which is probably why I crave chocolate in the first place).

Anyway, for those of us that are human and tend to have slip-ups due to craving and stress, we need to have some sort of structure. Not like food weighing or methodical calorie-counting... but perhaps "taking inventory" on our habits once a week or once a month along with weighing. Just something that keeps us from going off the deep end.
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Old Fri, Sep-07-12, 17:05
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Originally Posted by deirdra
I do agree with his 5 key points for maintenance:
tracking calories
tracking body weight
planning meals
tracking fat
measuring amount of food on plate

By my difference is that I make sure I get plenty of fat & calories. Skimping on fat & calories always led to my downfall in the past. Since I use software & have all my usual foods listed with net carbs in the dictionary, the measuring & tracking takes little extra time.


I find learning all I can is important for maintaining. Not being afraid of "trying" but doing it in control. I will follow the 5 key points when ever possible.

BUMP.....
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Old Sat, Jun-23-07, 06:06
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Interesting article. So what does this mean for us---the maintainers? Well, for one thing it reminds me that I NEED to connect with this area of the forum!!!! So, hey there. Princess Sara officially signing in. I'm not sure which threads I will participate in, but Eno has given me the invitation and this article is registering with me.

I decided to check this thread out because I find that people do not really want to listen to maintainers as much as they want to hear from someone with a "quick fix" idea. They ask, we answer, then someone starts waving a quick weight loss idea and they are off running with the pack. Does anyone else find that happening. We aren't very exciting people, are we? We are the old farts sitting in the rocking chairs giving our viewpoints on life as we know it.

I figure the people trying to lose the weight will understand eventually. At least I hope they will because that means they will eventually lose the weight. And, I sincerely wish success for EVERY obese person. Being fat is a miserable way to live for most of us. Maintaining isn't exciting. It doesn't provide the rush of seeing the scale drop. It means tenacity. It means changing priorities--and committing to the priority of being thin. It means turning a cynical eye at magical thinking---and rationalizations.

I do not share my story for an ego boost. I don't take it personally when they don't respond to what I'm writing or saying. I do, however, have a need to share my experience. It goes back to my 12-step roots. It helps me to give it away. What the listener/reader does with the information isn't my "stuff." I try to make a conscious effort to detach from the response to my words. People who are "inspired" by my story and want to hear about my experience will file the info away and keep moving through their journey.
Thanks for posting this article.
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Old Sat, Jun-23-07, 09:07
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THE TOP 4 STRATEGIES TO BE A SUCCESSFUL MAINTAINER

1. Increase activity, including formal exercise as well as sports, physical work or recreational activity.

2. Include weight training as part of your formal exercise program

3. Track and monitor everything - count and track calories and nutrients, measure your food portion sizes, plan your meals and menus in writing and monitor your body weight.

4. Avoid excuses and maintain positive beliefs and attitudes towards your environment and what you perceive as “barriers” (for example, “I can always make time for what is most important to me” versus, “I don’t have time to exercise,” etc.)


Thanks Demi!!
I actually live near where TV is....maybe I should try to meet with him.

Hmmm....I do need to up my exercise!! What am I going to do today?

Sara...great to see you down here!!

I totally agree with you on my 12 step roots too and giving it away...it does help me to do it also...even if they don't listen outwardly, a part of them hears it as it is a message of health and wellness.

The tracking and monitoring everything part...I'm not very good at this. What I did do was when I was losing my weight, I logged all my food each day for 20 months and literally was teaching myself to eat the way I ate then for life...I still eat the way I ate while I was losing. I am very conscious of how many fruits and starchy carbs I eat each day and I monitor that more than fat...I need to monitor my fats better!!

However...I do weigh daily and make choices on what I will eat that day based on what the scale tells me....and sometimes I can spot a trend and cut it off before it becomes a problem.
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Old Sat, Jun-23-07, 09:56
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One point I've been curious about:

Newsclips about the National Weight Control Registry report that one other strategy is long-term restriction of food group variety:
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Refrigerator Raid
Eat the same foods! Variety may be the spice of life, but research indicates that a larger variety of food causes us to eat more. To keep off the weight, limit the variety of food you eat throughout the week instead of giving yourself lots of different meal options.

Do you maintainers find yourself limiting in this way, perhaps as a natural extension of the low-carb weight-loss program you followed? That is, are there types of food (aside from the obvious triggers) that you avoid or restrict still?

Cheers--
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Old Sat, Jun-23-07, 11:14
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Good question!!

I do eat a fairly large variety of foods being on the SBD...however I did restrict my grain intake while losing and still do. I do not eat the recommended amount of grain each day and never will...it works better for me this way as grain/flour are huge triggers for me.

I do eat a Wasa crispbread here and there and also the Bran crispbreads...good for fiber and the crunch factor.

But I do eat good lean proteins, good fats, lots of veggies and some fruit (2 to be exact )each and every day....and a limited amount of dairy...1-2 ozs of cheese.

I do not eat franken foods ie: low carb tortillas or bars. It is made from flour and not a food that I can play around with.
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Old Sat, Jun-23-07, 12:46
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I do eat a fairly large variety of foods being on the SBD...however I did restrict my grain intake while losing and still do. I do not eat the recommended amount of grain each day and never will...it works better for me this way as grain/flour are huge triggers for me.
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I do not eat franken foods ie: low carb tortillas or bars. It is made from flour and not a food that I can play around with.

Thanks, Judy, that's interesting to know. The south beach may be where I'll need to go when I get closer to goal....

Cheers--
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Old Sat, Jun-23-07, 15:40
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Thanks, Judy, that's interesting to know. The south beach may be where I'll need to go when I get closer to goal....

Cheers--
Terry-24



FYI..OWL phase II of atkins is very close to the SBD way.....if more people would follow this path and stop looking for quick weight loss staying on Induction..they'd have more long term success.

Gradually increasing your carb intake while you are still losing your weight is what makes it possible to have a varied diet once you hit goal.
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