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Old Sun, May-30-10, 09:09
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Default Lettuce upsets my tummy now?

So, I went on a salad binge for a couple of weeks and ended up with awful GI issues. I was eating butter leaf lettuce. I thought it was the nuts I was eating that was causing the issue (I like sprinkling nuts on my salad) but it continued after I ended the nuts.

So my thoughts are that there's a lot of problem causing bacteria on the pre-washed, prepackaged lettuce or else I'm sensitive to lettuce now.

I guess I should try whole-head lettuce and see if it also upsets the GI tract.

Sheesh, I wish I could eat more foods without getting my tummy in a twist.
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Old Sun, May-30-10, 09:16
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I know they use a strong chemical solution to wash the prewashed stuff. Maybe you are sensitive to that?

Hope you figure it out.
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Old Sun, May-30-10, 09:19
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It is organic, I would hope they don't use a strong chemical on it!

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The Good News: NO deadly bacteria was found. (Remember E. coli O157:H7 in bagged spinach and lettuce that sickened Americans back in 2006?)

The Bad News: Consumer Reports did find unacceptable levels of coliforms and enterococcus bacteria across all brands. Those bacteria are common indicators of poor sanitation.
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Old Sun, May-30-10, 11:18
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they use a bleach wash even on the organic lettuces. i never buy prewashed anything anymore after i read about how organic lettuce is dealt with in the omnivore's dilemma.
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Old Sun, May-30-10, 12:17
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Originally Posted by Nancy LC
So, I went on a salad binge for a couple of weeks and ended up with awful GI issues. I was eating butter leaf lettuce. I thought it was the nuts I was eating that was causing the issue (I like sprinkling nuts on my salad) but it continued after I ended the nuts.

So my thoughts are that there's a lot of problem causing bacteria on the pre-washed, prepackaged lettuce or else I'm sensitive to lettuce now.

I guess I should try whole-head lettuce and see if it also upsets the GI tract.

Sheesh, I wish I could eat more foods without getting my tummy in a twist.


Have you looked into the issue of low stomach acid at all?

That is another possible explanation for reacting badly to foods.

amanda
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Old Sun, May-30-10, 12:28
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Wouldn't meat give me issues if it was low acid? Meat seems to be the one thing I can digest properly.

I do have to HCL, I should probably try it more seriously.
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Old Sun, May-30-10, 12:47
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Sounds like IBS, I get the same thing with all raw vegetables.

A good way to test is to eat some raw turnip, that sets me off like nothing else.

I'm going to invest in the Now foods digestive enzymes and see if that helps.
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Old Sun, May-30-10, 12:56
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It seems like everyone has their own foods that cause it. I think I'm fine with turnips. God knows I love those suckers.
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Old Sun, May-30-10, 13:05
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Hi Nancy,

I have the stomach of a proverbial ox; funnily, the COMPLETE opposite to anyone else in my family. Even as a child, I never had a stomach ache in my entire life - not from too much candy, not from huge quantities of TOTALLY unripe fruits, plucked straight from the trees... not from seafood, or carbs, or anything, in my whole life.

And yet both in my own experience, and in observing others; perfect looking, and double and even triple carefully washed lettuce, is something that seems to be the speediest culprit known to humankind, for stomach upset of absolutely indescribable, epic proportions... and which can go on for days.

I think lettuce leaves are harbingers of SO many different kinds of bacteria that can be responsible for DIRE gastric upset... even after people have been absolutely fastidious to an extreme, in cleansing the leaves.

I hope it's a temporary blip on your radar... and that something like a glycerine-based spray all natural produce wash from whole foods or something similar, will help you avoid similar repeat occurrences.

I really know what you're talking about on this one, and full commiserations are definitely in order
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Old Sun, May-30-10, 13:19
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Hey, I never knew if those sprays actually work or not, so I googled. Turns out using vinegar and water is best.

http://ticketforhealth.com/diet_tip...ng-veggie-wash/

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The folks at Cook’s Illustrated are not the first to document the effectiveness of acidic washes. Researchers at the Institute of Agricultural and Environmental Sciences at Tennessee State University tested dilute vinegar against plain water and a commercial product called Veggie Wash that they purchased at a grocery store.

“We really did not really find the veggie washes effective or necessary,” says Sandria Godwin, who oversaw the project.

Godwin says they do get rid of most bacteria, but her team of researchers found that water works just as well. They found that water can remove 98 percent of bacteria when it’s used to rinse and soak produce.


The vinegar solution is 3 parts water, 1 part water. For bumpy things you have to soak them for awhile.
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Old Sun, May-30-10, 13:44
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I'm not sure what you meant by 'salad binge', but maybe the sheer amount of lettuce made you ill? It generally contains a lot of water. Plus there's fiber.

I had never even considered the implications of pre-washed. Thanks for the vinegar-water wash info.
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Old Sun, May-30-10, 14:23
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A binge is like one meal sized salad a day for a couple of weeks. Not an actual binge, like I ate bag fulls at one sitting. Probably about 1/3 of a bag everyday.
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Old Sun, May-30-10, 14:44
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Hey, I never knew if those sprays actually work or not, so I googled. Turns out using vinegar and water is best.
The vinegar solution is 3 parts water, 1 part water.


I used to grow organic veggies for market and the experience taught me to do this with all of my fruits and veggies. My solution is a little weaker than that, more like six to one, but I do not trust organic veggies to be pesticide free. They are sprayed with organic pesticides that still wipe out fish (rotenone) and are still caustic to humans (mum pyrethrum), so I dip and lightly wash everything in about a 6-1 solution of vinegar and tap water. I do it in the sink as part of putting away groceries. I used to have testing kits for pesticides back when I was selling veggies, and that solution was as effective as stronger solutions and left no residual taste behind after a straight water rinse.
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Old Sun, May-30-10, 15:23
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I just checked my antibacterial fruit and vegetable wash... I was quite off the mark, when I said glycerine-based! Must have had the general idea of soaps in my head...

My spray wash from whole foods is made from oleic aid - naturally derived from olives, baking soda, and distilled, organic grapefruit oil.

just fyi for anyone else who might be reading, and interested, and wondering what might be in "those" organic extra spray washes.

I wouldn't wash anything though, ever, before putting it in the fridge to store though. That would lead to a wet and humid environment which leads to even more rapid decay and bacteria growth than normal, on any kind of produce. Same goes for meat though.

Good thread though!! Sometimes it feels like everything under the sun has already been addressed here at one point or other - I feel sure this is one of the subjects that often flies under the radar though,... nice helpful, spotlight/reminder/ recap for a lot people, I hope
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Old Sun, May-30-10, 15:43
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Honeypie, from what I read it doesn't sound like those sprays actually work any better than water.
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