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Old Tue, Sep-25-07, 09:26
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I'm in need of a bit of advice here.

I started this workout last week, my main concern is this...I'm not sore enough. I dont mean I'm not sore at all, just not as sore as I'm used to being after a good workout.

My 5 reps are without doubt max weights I can do with proper form. I use duration of lift to maximize effort. I just cant seem to get very sore. 3 sets of each excercise, with 9-12 sets per body part typical.

Example - db incline 3 sets;db flat 3 sets; flys 3 sets; cable crossovers 3 sets. Did chest just yesterday and I have to really flex to feel any soreness.

I superset, so as Im doing chest my chest rest interval is when Im doing biceps. 2 min max between sets of like body type.

Any Ideas???
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Old Tue, Sep-25-07, 18:06
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I would drop some of the excercises and do more of a 5x5 routine..

Get rid of the flyes and cable crossovers and stick to benches..incline and flat and throw in some dips..

And DOMS is not a good indicator of a good workout IMO..
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Old Tue, Sep-25-07, 18:11
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And DOMS is not a good indicator of a good workout IMO..


What is DOMS?
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Old Tue, Sep-25-07, 23:54
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Delayed Onset Muscle Soreness.
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Old Wed, Sep-26-07, 06:17
leaddog66 leaddog66 is offline
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The flys and crossovers are there to minimize the pressing movements. Between the massive amounts of bone spurs that have developed in my elbows and the arthritis thats setting in, I really have to minimize the presses. I do as many as I can, but not all I NEED to do. So I try to find other excercises to isolate the chest muscles and minimize the elbow abuse. I do dips on triceps day, but if I do flys correctly, I can get as much out of them as I can presses.

I'm pretty sore today, but Ill try more sets of 5 and see how that works out.
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Old Wed, Sep-26-07, 07:13
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I would drop some of the excercises and do more of a 5x5 routine..

Get rid of the flyes and cable crossovers and stick to benches..incline and flat and throw in some dips..

And DOMS is not a good indicator of a good workout IMO..

DOMS just indicates that you stressed your muscles and associated structures (specifically connective tissue) in a new way. Eventually you will adapt and not get much in the way of soreness. No problem--as my fave guru Lyle McD says, "Soreness is not indicative of growth; GROWTH is indicative of growth".

The best way to tell if what you're doing is working is to monitor your progress--are you able to regularly up the weight on the bar? Don't forget that you have to eat more to grow, otherwise the best you will do is maintain.
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Old Wed, Sep-26-07, 08:06
Gostrydr Gostrydr is offline
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If I may..

I would forget about isolating any bodypart and start thinking of the body as a whole..

Dips done with a wider grip,elbows flared,chest up will hit the pecs and tris very hard..and your delts..and to a lesser degree your serratus.

You can also do close grip benches(with the hands 12' a part on the bar) as another great compound movement for the chest and tris.

Along with dips, the best tri excercise IMO and great for chest and shoulders.
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Old Wed, Oct-10-07, 14:55
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Dips will most definitely build your chest; I'm definitely a believer now. Right now, I'm doing nothing but bodyweight exercises, and I can't believe how hard my chest is getting, and I only do two "chest" exercises: dips and "clap" pushups (when you push yourself off the ground high enough to clap before starting the next one) and pushups where I pause on the bottom.

Leaddog have you read any of Pavel's books? If not, I think you'll find Power to the People and Beyond Bodybuilding very useful. Also, I agree with Dane, a big mistake we make is to train for pain (ok, soreness) instead of results. It has taken me some time, any many setbacks, to finally understand and believe in this.
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