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Old Mon, Apr-08-13, 04:14
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Plan: Optimal diet(Kwasniewski)
Stats: 270/232/210 Male 186cm
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Anyone out there still doing Kwasniewski/Optimal?

Yes, I can help if you want.
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Old Mon, Apr-08-13, 06:15
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Plan: Dr. Kwasniewski's Ratios
Stats: 198.4/142.2/140 Female 66"
BF:Finally Normal!
Progress: 96%
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Hey Matt51 and Miranto! Thanks for your replies. I was hoping this thread wasn't dead. Here are my questions: Do you eat the ratios at each meal or just make sure you meet them by the end of the day? Do you have to eat the carb level for your ratio to stay out of ketosis or can you do it "lower carb" (at net 20) and stay in ketosis? I always max out on net carbs at 35-40 on Atkins and am afraid of eating more than that since I am still needing to lose weight (35 pounds to still go).
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Old Mon, Apr-08-13, 06:52
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Plan: Optimal diet(Kwasniewski)
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Hey
I eat 3 meals. In first and second I eat about 10-15 g carbs and in last I eat about 30-40g(fried potatos).
Ketozis is not natural on this diet. If you have it - something is going wrong.
Eat minimum 30-40 carbs per day. If you want to lose weight eat potatoes with small amount of fat as last meal. Check second thread about kwasniewski diet on this forum. I explained it there.
And dont be afraid to eat much fat. If you eat too much fat you won't be hungry for rest of the day. That's how it works. You cant get fat from fat. You gain fat from sugar(carbs).
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Old Mon, Apr-08-13, 09:50
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Do you have to eat the carb level for your ratio to stay out of ketosis or can you do it "lower carb" (at net 20) and stay in ketosis? I always max out on net carbs at 35-40 on Atkins and am afraid of eating more than that since I am still needing to lose weight (35 pounds to still go).
Dr. K writes that going lower than the ratio in carbs, is not a good idea. It just stresses your organs more, because they have to make glucose from somewhere else, whereas making glucose from dietary carbs is easy. Also the Optimal ratios are by design just enough to stay out of ketosis during the day. You might still be in "dietary ketosis" after the long overnight fast or between meals if you eat like at 9 am and 5 pm.
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Old Mon, Apr-08-13, 16:16
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Plan: Dr. Kwasniewski's Ratios
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And we're talking net carbs, right?
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Old Mon, Apr-08-13, 16:47
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Yes! net carbs.
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Old Mon, Apr-08-13, 17:23
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Plan: paleo/optimal diet
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I follow the optimal diet always.

Sometimes over 350g fat per day. I maintain about 12% bodyfat.

I refuse to eat grains, beans or dairy sugar. The ratios are good, but the diet is better if you eat "paleo" optimal.
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Old Tue, Apr-09-13, 02:43
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Plan: Optimal diet(Kwasniewski)
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I follow the optimal diet always.

Sometimes over 350g fat per day. I maintain about 12% bodyfat.

I refuse to eat grains, beans or dairy sugar. The ratios are good, but the diet is better if you eat "paleo" optimal.

Excluding grains and sugar is very important on this diet. Obviously one piece of bread per week it's ok, but everyday - not. You don't need to avoid beans, sometimes its okey.
Life Without Bread - Wolfgang Lutz. I recommend this book for people who still thinks, that bread is healthy. In fact, bread is more processed food than potato chips.
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Old Tue, Apr-09-13, 02:52
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Plan: Optimal diet(Kwasniewski)
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Dr. K writes that going lower than the ratio in carbs, is not a good idea. It just stresses your organs more, because they have to make glucose from somewhere else, whereas making glucose from dietary carbs is easy.

It will produce glucose from protein, but "by the way" it will produce ammonia and many others toxic compounds. It's just better to eat more carbs, so our body can save energy.
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Old Tue, Apr-09-13, 15:23
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Plan: paleo/optimal diet
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I love potatoes, and I eat most of my carbs and protein all at once in a big dinner. Most of the day I just drink cream in coffee, or coconut milk shakes.

The best thing about the optimal diet is the lack of choice. I literally dont have to think about food anymore.
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Old Tue, Apr-09-13, 15:49
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What quanity of potatoes do you eat, Jordan?
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Old Tue, Apr-09-13, 21:34
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Usually somewhere about 8-11oz per day. Always with butter or lard, salted. I have a slicer and sometimes I make potato chips.
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Old Wed, Apr-10-13, 10:53
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Plan: Dr. Kwasniewski's Ratios
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BF:Finally Normal!
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I already broke my 2 week "atkins" stall! Down 1.6 pounds! Not sure if it's the ratios, natural progression on LC or no Atkins bars but I'm going to stick with the ratios. OK, I'm reading all the pages of this thread (only on page 68) and I'm seeing lots of different ratios. What ratio should I be following for losing? 1:2.5:0.8 or 1:1.8:0.4-0.6? I am reading conflicting information. I am not diabetic. I am not an athlete. Thanks guys!
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Old Wed, Apr-10-13, 11:27
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Plan: Dr. Kwasniewski's Ratios
Stats: 198.4/142.2/140 Female 66"
BF:Finally Normal!
Progress: 96%
Location: South Dakota
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Oh, also, if I use the 0.4-0.6 multiplier for carbs, I can eat approx. 31.5 grams of net carbs. At one point in the thread I read never eat less than 50 grams to stay out of ketosis. If I use the 0.8 multiplier, I can eat 50 grams of net carbs. What is the minimum to stay out of ketosis?
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Old Wed, Apr-10-13, 12:23
JordanS JordanS is offline
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Plan: paleo/optimal diet
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BF:12%
Progress: 80%
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Buy some ketostix and get to peeing.. LOL

Eat only as many as you need to be a 1 or 0 on the ketostix.

As for your ratios, start high with fat, low on carbs and even with protein. 1:2-3:0.5. If you've already been losing fat, I would keep doing whatever your doing.
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