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Old Sun, Aug-24-08, 10:13
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Default Potassium Broth

Here's a recipe for a low-carb broth that provides about 750 mg. potassium/cup!

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Originally Posted by aj_cohn
Here's an updated recipe in text format and PDF format.

Ingredients
6 medium Russet potatoes
6 celery stalks
1 bu. parsley
1 med. parsnip
2 med. carrots
14 C. water
ginger root, 5 1-in. slices
Italian seasonings blend (opt.)

Tools
Measuring cup
6-qt. pot w/ cover
knife, chopping
potato peeler
skimmer or other tool to remove vegetables from broth
ladle
Canning funnel
conical mesh strainer
canning jars, 24 oz (3)

1. Measure water into pot, then cover. Bring water to a boil.

2. While water heats up, wash produce gently. (Hard scrubbing removes minerals found in the vegetables' skins).

3. Peel potatoes to a depth of 1/8 in. Set potato bodies aside for other use, or discard them.

4. Cut other vegetables in half, so they will fit into the pot.

5. When water boils, put all veggies (except potato bodies) and seasoning into the water.

6. Bring broth to a boil, with the lid on, again, then simmer, with the lid on, for 1.5 hrs.

7. Add the ginger slices; then continue simmering with the lid on, for 30 min.

8. Remove large vegetable matter, then allow small vegetable matter to settle for 5 minutes with the lid on.

9. Insert canning funnel into neck of canning jar, then rest strainer inside the funnel.

10. Ladle into canning jars (fill to neck). This will allow you to use expose smaller portions of the broth to airborne bacteria for less time, preventing premature spoiling. To get the last of the broth, pour it through the mesh strainer.

Nutrition Information
Serving Size: 1 cup
Calories: 10
Protein: 0 g
Carbohydrates: 1g
Fiber: 0g
EGC: 1g
Fat: 1.0 g
Sodium: 21.5 mg.
Potassium: 771.6 mg.
Calcium 98.9 mg.
Magnesium: 59.0 mg.

Drink 2-4 cups daily, spread out over the day. Each cup contains approximately 750 mg. potassium, and the average body needs 2mg. of potassium for every calorie of food consumed for optimal muscle function and electrolyte balance.

Don’t be concerned with taking in this much potassium at once from food. Murray's Encyclopedia of Nutritional Supplements says that although potassium salts can cause nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, and ulcers when given in pill form at high doses, these effects do not occur “when potassium levels are increased through diet alone.” (emphasis mine). Therefore, the best course is to use foods or food-based potassium supplements to meet the human body's high potassium requirements.”

Notes: Using organic ingredients will increase the potassium content to approximately 1100 mg./cup. Using 1 qt. of cooking water from boiled spinach will boost the potassium content further.

Magnesium carries potassium into the cells. Take a magnesium supplment (chelated form, e.g., citrate, malate), or eat high-magnesium foods (http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodco...nk/wt_rank.html) within an hour of drinking the broth.

Last edited by Rosebud : Mon, Dec-05-11 at 20:46. Reason: Tranferring info from post #10
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Old Fri, Nov-25-11, 11:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by aj_cohn
Here's a recipe for a low-carb broth that provides about 750 mg. potassium/cup!


The recipe for potassium broth sure looks nice,and tasty too .

but still many carbs and starches, potates, carrots ,parsnip,

But I reckon per carb this Broth might just outweigh a banana for potassium . so thanks for the tip.

I can't seem to find an oganic way of getting pottasium , without a carb rush,

I agree as above the blood pressure issue needs a doctors opinion./Advice .

best of luck

somebloke

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Old Fri, Nov-25-11, 12:38
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That is the dosage of my scripted potassium. Betcha the broth is easier to get down. I would rather 3 cups of broth over 3 horse pills.
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Old Fri, Nov-25-11, 16:00
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At the end of the cooking, you remove the vegetable matter from the broth. While some vegetable matter, and therefore, carbs, have mixed with the liquid, the amount is negligible.

Also, any reports of potassium overdosing in the medical literature have been from supplemental potassium. There have been no reports of overdosing from food sources.
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Old Fri, Nov-25-11, 16:40
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I don't know about this ... I have some doubts. I looked up the potassium content of each of the ingredients and none of them are particularly rich sources of potassium. I kinda think that someone just added up the potassium of all the ingredients and assumed that all of it ends up in the broth and none of it remains in the veggies that are strained out. I also have my doubts about the final carb count. It looks like someone just assumed that the carbs are staying in the veggies that get strained out. I think a lot more would get into the broth after hours of cooking. Potatoes begin to dissolve after only 20 minutes.

I kinda doubt that someone actually ran this through a lab test. Exercise caution.

Sorry for being so cynical.
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Old Fri, Nov-25-11, 17:15
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Allison,

You're right: I just added up all the numbers from nutritiondata.com and assumed that they got mixed into the broth. This is an adapted recipe from Krispin Sullivan, and I used her numbers as the basis for mine. Since potassium is a water-soluble mineral, I thought it was a safe bet to assume that the potassium leached out from the veggies and didn't go back.

Regarding carbs, you don't use the entire potato — just the peels, so there's almost no potato to dissolve into the broth.

But since I always insist on the best evidence possible to substantiate others' claims, you're right to require the same standard from me. When I make my next batch, I'll have a sample analyzed by Anresco labs in SF. Determining the potassium and carb content won't cost much.
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Old Sat, Nov-26-11, 03:52
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Oh brother!

OK... the numbers are imperfect on just about anything that is a mixed concoction. Try figuring out the numbers on stuff you fry or boil... it's pretty much riddled with having to make assumptions. I don't think you need a lab analysis to post a recipe. :-)

It would be nice if it were not in PDF though. I can't save files when checking in from work so I can't even see it.

PJ
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Oh, gosh, I certainly didn't mean to suggest that you need to do a lab analysis. I was only questioning that none of the potassium would remain in the veggies and that all of the carbs would.

I completely agree, no need to send it to the lab for analysis.

Also, I failed to read the directions. I thought the potatoes were going in.

Last edited by bike2work : Sat, Nov-26-11 at 11:04.
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Old Mon, Dec-05-11, 19:53
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Too late: I sent a sample to the lab a week ago for analysis. I should get the results back late this month.
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Old Mon, Dec-05-11, 20:20
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Here's an updated recipe in text format and PDF format.

Ingredients
6 medium Russet potatoes
6 celery stalks
1 bu. parsley
1 med. parsnip
2 med. carrots
14 C. water
ginger root, 5 1-in. slices
Italian seasonings blend (opt.)

Tools
Measuring cup
6-qt. pot w/ cover
knife, chopping
potato peeler
skimmer or other tool to remove vegetables from broth
ladle
Canning funnel
conical mesh strainer
canning jars, 24 oz (3)

1. Measure water into pot, then cover. Bring water to a boil.

2. While water heats up, wash produce gently. (Hard scrubbing removes minerals found in the vegetables' skins).

3. Peel potatoes to a depth of 1/8 in. Set potato bodies aside for other use, or discard them.

4. Cut other vegetables in half, so they will fit into the pot.

5. When water boils, put all veggies (except potato bodies) and seasoning into the water.

6. Bring broth to a boil, with the lid on, again, then simmer, with the lid on, for 1.5 hrs.

7. Add the ginger slices; then continue simmering with the lid on, for 30 min.

8. Remove large vegetable matter, then allow small vegetable matter to settle for 5 minutes with the lid on.

9. Insert canning funnel into neck of canning jar, then rest strainer inside the funnel.

10. Ladle into canning jars (fill to neck). This will allow you to use expose smaller portions of the broth to airborne bacteria for less time, preventing premature spoiling. To get the last of the broth, pour it through the mesh strainer.

Nutrition Information
Serving Size: 1 cup
Calories: 10
Protein: 0 g
Carbohydrates: 1g
Fiber: 0g
EGC: 1g
Fat: 1.0 g
Sodium: 21.5 mg.
Potassium: 771.6 mg.
Calcium 98.9 mg.
Magnesium: 59.0 mg.

Drink 2-4 cups daily, spread out over the day. Each cup contains approximately 750 mg. potassium, and the average body needs 2mg. of potassium for every calorie of food consumed for optimal muscle function and electrolyte balance.

Don’t be concerned with taking in this much potassium at once from food. Murray's Encyclopedia of Nutritional Supplements says that although potassium salts can cause nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, and ulcers when given in pill form at high doses, these effects do not occur “when potassium levels are increased through diet alone.” (emphasis mine). Therefore, the best course is to use foods or food-based potassium supplements to meet the human body's high potassium requirements.”

Notes: Using organic ingredients will increase the potassium content to approximately 1100 mg./cup. Using 1 qt. of cooking water from boiled spinach will boost the potassium content further.

Magnesium carries potassium into the cells. Take a magnesium supplment (chelated form, e.g., citrate, malate), or eat high-magnesium foods (http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodco...nk/wt_rank.html) within an hour of drinking the broth.
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Old Sun, Dec-25-11, 11:29
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I got the lab results back, and the naysayers were right (see attached):
  • potassium: 149 mg/cup
  • carbohydrates: 4.8 mg/cup
Not worth the effort to make.

I emailed the woman who runs the site where I got the recipe. She admitted that she (a) had never made the recipe (b) will revise the next edition of her book to recommend juicing high-potassium vegetables, since the potassium is locked up inside the cell walls.

I'm not in a position to buy a juicer, and neither are a lot of people. Besides, can you even juice potato peels?

Last edited by aj_cohn : Sun, Dec-25-11 at 11:37.
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Old Sun, Dec-25-11, 11:40
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Thank you so much for taking the time and trouble (not to mention expense) to derive this information.
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Old Sun, Dec-25-11, 13:16
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2nd on the thank you. 149 mg. isn't much! But it *sounds* like such a good, natural source. Oh, well.
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Old Sun, Dec-25-11, 14:18
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I also really appreciate the lab analysis.

I actually made that potassium broth off the Krispin site one time and was disappointed that I didn't seem to get any kind of energy boost or other effect after drinking a lot of it. Now I know why. I seemed like a lot of bother too.
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Shake some Nu-Salt into that potassium broth and you can easily quadruple the amount of potassium.
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