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Originally Posted by JEY100
Arlene, you might enjoy this interview transcript with Dr. Phinney from April 2011. Before the A&SLCL book was published, but he talks about protein levels:
http://www.meandmydiabetes.com/2011...than-high-carb/
I read the book from the library and can't refer to it now, but did he define "reference weight"? Have seen the mid-point of healthy BMI used before, which for me is 145 (in my dreams..college weight) and you around 120. |
Very good Jey, Thanks for the reference. I have to point myself to a weight that I know I can maintain. I am looking at 140 but it might be higher. 120 is not even in my thoughts..... LOL
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JEY100 THIS IS A GOOD INTERVIEW.... Dr Phinney talks about athletes on this diet and WOE
""Most of the adaptation occurs in the first two weeks, but some of the fine tuning is going on four to six weeks after that.""
Okay, this is a long term thing and again, he says if you eat too much protien or too many carbs in one day, it will take this long again to get into the sweet spot.
""""Well, how about if, instead of eating just the leanest part of the meat, what if they eat a 14 ounce rib-eye steak. Or chicken with the skin. Will they avoid a rabbit fever problem, or is that still too much protein?
A lightly marbled steak, in terms of energy, is about 50-50 protein and fat. A heavily marbled steak is 75 percent of calories from fat and 25 percent from protein. Chicken, with the skin, dark meat’s going to be 50-50 protein and fat, but the white meat is going to be more protein, even with the skin on. So as an energy source, it’s too much protein . . . UNLESS the person is trying to lose weight, and getting fat from their body’s own fat stores. In other words, being on a higher fat diet because they’re getting fat from their body’s stores.
After all, many people, choose a low carb diet for weight loss. For them, a diet that’s moderate in protein may be high in fat because they’re burning their own fat for energy. When you go on a weight loss, ketogentic diet, you can eat less fat on your plate because you’re burning the fat that comes from your inside. It comes from your love handles and hips and so on.
When burning your own body fat, it looks like it’s a high protein diet. But the scales go down because the body’s burning it’s own fat stores. But if that persons loses weight and decides to stay on low-carb as a maintenance diet, in order to become weight stable, they need to eat a considerable amount of fat now, in other words, they need to increase their fat intake, which should work fine, because by now, their body should be very efficient at burning fat."""""
"""Well, if an athlete is eating a 14 ounce steak, is that too much protein?
It depends on the person’s height and weight. Also, the amount of protein you eat depends on how much muscle you need to maintain. So a tall, muscular man would need more protein to maintain lean body mass than a small less athletic woman.
Let’s describe an athlete about 6 feet tall and pretty muscular.
So his reference weight would be 80 kilograms, plus or minus a few. We recommend that on a low carbohydrate diet, people get 1.5 of protein per kilogram of body weight. So that would be 120 grams of protein. That’s the low end. And it can go to 2 grams per kilo, or 160 grams of protein per day. Now, a 14-ounce steak–each ounce of prepared steak has around 7 grams of protein, so it is just a bit shy of 100 grams of protein. If a person’s intake should be between 120 and 150, that steak represents more than half of their daily protein needs. So if the person had two eggs and 2 strips of bacon for breakfast, which would be about 25 grams of protein, and some tuna with celery and lettuce for lunch and then the steak for dinner, that might be about right for total protein. So that would be tolerable, as long as the person didn’t feel deprived by waiting for the high amount of protein in their evening meal.
That would be too much protein for me. I’m about 5 foot 7. And because I have a weak pancreas, I don’t have a lot of room for extra protein calories that might be converted to sugar. It would push my blood sugars up. That’s what happens to protein if someone eats too much.
So I try to eat less protein. Mary Gannon, another expert on protein metabolism would point out that people can have far less protein than you’re suggesting, because so much of the body’s protein can be recycled and used again. While you, talking about athletes, are talking about more protein than that."""
Excellent discussion on how important SALT and MAGNESIUM is...
I think... think... correct me if I am wrong, but what Dr Phinney is saying in this interview is that we need to look at the make up of the number of calories that we need to take in for weight loss differently than the make p of the calories we eat for maintanence. It seems that if we want to lose weight, we need to lower the number calories but keep the protein and carbs at the same percentage as we will when maintaining. When we maintain, we need to increase the fat, not the protein and he still limists his carbs because he, like me is insulin sensitive.......
So that means if I lose weight (and now I am wondering if I will or if I am eating too much fat...) on this road of my journey, at the end, what ever determines the end, I will increase the fat. Hmmmmm. Maybe some pate! Yum. LOL
I will stay with macadamias for a snack for a while and later add back coconut to see what happens.
Movement! I am encouraged. As I said yesterday afternoon, my appetite was not there until I actually started making dinner (DH is home so I had to.. lol and then I didn't know if I would have enough! Then at dinner, I ate less than I thought I would and could have skipped snack but needed the fat)
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