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Originally Posted by BariatricP
to Dina: actually the Stillman diet is the basis of the Atkins theory. Atkin's modified it over the years but the base is pretty much the same. The Stillman has been used by several other names over the years, such as "Drinking Man's Diet" in the 60's.
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Hi Tootie:
Stillman diet is 100% lean protein diet, very low fat and almost no carbs. Looks like a recipe for disaster to me. Here is what V.Stefannson says about lean protein diet. He spent some time living among Eskimos and knew a thing or two about low carb diets. He also knew that lean protein diet without fat will ...kill you in a long therm. Protein is not a source of energy for human body, fat and carbs are. we can survive on either of them as long as we supply adequate amount of protein depending on gender, life style, health, ect. Here is the excerpt from Stefannson book My Life with the Eskimo, quote
Rabbits are important in some areas at certain times. You can’t live on only the lean meat of the rabbit, after awhile you lose strength and get sick. Fat from other sources has to be consumed when restricted to rabbit as the main course. Eating even large quantities of rabbit without oil doesn’t satisfy hunger and appetites become voracious, resulting in a gorged, bloated feeling of unsatisfaction The eskimos collect seal oil in the summer, store it in bags made of seal skin. They drink this oil with their lean rabbit meat and are satisfied (hungerwise) and able to survive through a winter on the diet supplemented with the fat of the seal oil. The indians inland don’t have the seal and depend upon moose or caribou fat stored from the previous (autumn) hunting season. If this isn’t available they get bacon from the traders to supply the fat. This shows the importance of high fat in the diet which, throughout the history of medicine has been stupidly recommended against by medically oriented nutritional experts
Here is another quote from his article Adventures in Diet, quote:
For I had published in 1913, on pages 140-142 of My Life with the Eskimo, an account of how some natives and I became ill when we had to go two or three weeks on lean meat, caribou so skinny that there was no appreciable fat behind the eyes or in the marrow. So when Dr. DuBois suggest that I start the meat period by eating as large quantities as I possibly could of chopped fatless muscle, I predicted trouble. But he countered by citing my own experience where illness had not come until after two or three weeks, and he now proposed lean for only two or three days. So I gave in.At Bellevue the meat, carefully scrutinized, had been as lean as such muscle tissue can be. Then, in the Arctic we had eaten tendons and other indigestible matter, we had chewed the soft ends of bones, getting a deal of bulk that way when we were trying to secure fat. What we ate at Bellevue contained no bulk material, so that my stomach could be compelled to hold a much larger amount of lean.The symptoms brought on at Bellevue by an incomplete meat diet (lean without fat) were exactly the same as in the Arctic, except that they came on faster - diarrhea and a feeling of general baffling discomfort.Up north the Eskimos and I had been cured immediately when we got some fat. Dr. DuBois now cured me the same way, by giving me fat sirloin steaks, brains fried in bacon fat, and things of that sort. In two or three days I was all right, but I had lost considerable weight.
http://www.biblelife.org/stefansson2.htm
As you can see, Stillman diet is mostly lean protein and is hardly suitable for a long therm, and even dangerous. Fat should be consumed in a much higher proportion, probably 75-80% of total number of calories on a ketogenic diet, and Dr.Atkins strongly advised on not doing low fat version of his diet.
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As to my user name, it very much has to do with my weight loss. I'm not going to say losing the weight was easy, but I will say that I made it easier by using suppliments and modifing psych behavior.
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I have to appologize, I didn't mean to pray into your personal life, but YOU DID LOSE WEIGHT BECAUSE OF THE SURGERY, not by the diet, nothing wrong with it, but the Stillman diet was the only diet suitable after this kind od surgery. My
neighbor (a women in her late 50s) who failed all diets and ended up at 350 pounds, lost 150 pounds in one year after this surgery and she was able only eat 1-2 ounces of lean protein at a time in order to keep her food down. She untimately lost all 200 pounds and now can eat a variety of food (bread including) but still in a very small quantities, otherwise, she's in troubles. In this case this diet is the only way to go, but for a normal active person high lean protein diet is not a way to lose weight . So, when you are comparing Atkins diet and the Stillman diet, IMHO, it's not the same and it's dangerous.
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While I did not mean to knock down the person who was objecting to the Atkins way of life, I felt I had to speak up for what I know to be the truth.
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I suspect that many ppl are aware that bariatric surgery works for sure, I thought this forum is to discuss A NON-SURGICAL WAY OF WEIGHT LOSS. Have you tried any diet before the surgery to lose weight?
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What I do know is that only 1.5 person(s) in 200 acheives dieting goals.
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Soooo, diets don't work, right? None of them? Or those who lost weight couldn't keep it off, where are these stats coming from, could you please, provide references.
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It is my desire to be part of the solution...
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So what is the solution? If diets don't work (see above), then the solution is what...BARIATRIC SURGERY? Nothing is forever, and even after this surgery the weight can be regained if one is not very careful with his diet. I'm glad it works for you, just be more specific in your posts, otherwise, it's a bit misleading.
Best Regards,
Dina