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Old Tue, Jun-02-09, 08:38
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‘Many scientists, including us, thought it would be a waste of time to give leptin in the absence of insulin. We’ve been brainwashed into thinking that insulin is the only substance that can correct the consequences of insulin deficiency.’

http://diabetes.taragana.net/leptin...ype-1-diabetes/

You're always so definitive in your conclusions, you may be one of those rare cases, according to Dr. Bernstein, that has no insulin production due to complete depletion of b-cells. But again, according to Dr. Bernstein, most "type 1" diabetics, including myself, still produce enough insulin/leptin/whatever to support a low carb diet without injecting insulin or homeopathic amounts of it.

What do you mean by "beta cells are completely destroyed"? This isn't true in the vast majority, if I remember well, Dr. Bernstein only knows of two cases of types 1 that do not produce measurable amounts of insulin, himself and another patient of him.

Or maybe, as someone suggested here, there are true type 1s, those that had their pancreas removed or do not produce insulin at all, and autoimmune diabetics that by changing their lifestyle to a more human one (and not keeping the lifestyle of a tree) can reduce, drop or intermittently use insulin.

And the other question, could type 2 be also an autoimmune disease?


Here is a fact of life that I have experienced. If I wake up in the morning, having eating nothing all night (isn't *that* VLC?) and there has been a blockage in my inslun pump, I am in serioius ketoacidosis and require an ambulance. No hospital = death. Why hasn't my residual insulin kicked in?

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Old Tue, Jun-02-09, 13:47
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Here is a fact of life that I have experienced. If I wake up in the morning, having eating nothing all night (isn't *that* VLC?) and there has been a blockage in my inslun pump, I am in serioius ketoacidosis and require an ambulance. No hospital = death. Why hasn't my residual insulin kicked in?

V


Yes, as I wrote before, you may be one of those rare cases where no insulin at all is produced, even having a pancreas, apparently that exists.

But, if I remember well, you once wrote that when you drink 3 glasses of wine, your bolus would drop by around 50% and that you needed "monstruous" amounts of insulin when you eat carbs. My guess is that; you're producing insulin and that you have an insulin resistance. That's why you'll get into ketoacitosis that fast, whithin hours, which is not the usual case.

Perhaps we should revise how the classification system is done and separate true type ones, the ones that really don't produce insulin, from autoimmune diabetics that produce insulin. That would clear things up.
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Old Tue, Jun-02-09, 20:00
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Well, this has been addressed a bit in the literature and on this forum. Wine shuts down glucogenesis, making the *exogenous* insulin I use more effective. And it has been suggested that insulin dependent Type 1s experience insulin resistance due to low carbing b/c of the presence of ketones.

Perhaps a better classification system would do!

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Old Tue, Jul-07-09, 22:35
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I'm finding this conversation to be very interesting even though it is quite hard to follow not knowing about the diets which are being discussed. I have had the pancreas tail and at least 70% of head removed leaving only a sliver of head next to the liver so as not to invade the liver and spread cancer into it. I haven't been able to locate any others with pancreas removal to discuss their lifestyles. I have felt most isolated. By this conversation I'm gleening that a Type 1 and I have the same problem. True?
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Knew this thread was older, had hopes someone would respond.
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Old Thu, Jul-09-09, 20:45
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Just found out this thread. Need to read it.
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