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Old Tue, Sep-17-02, 16:59
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Post The Remains of His Day .... Study reveals Iceman's last meals

TUESDAY, Sept. 17 (HealthScoutNews) -- Cereals, plants and meat were the last foods eaten by a prehistoric man whose frozen body was found in the Italian Alps in 1991, says a study in this week's Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
The Tyrolean Iceman, also known as Otzi, died more than 5,000 years ago and was preserved in the alpine ice. He was found with leather clothing, a copper axe, a bow and arrows. Scientists believe he was a hunter or warrior from the Late Neolithic period.

To determine Otzi's final menu choices, Italian researchers did a DNA analysis on the contents of his intestines after he was fully defrosted in September 2000. They combined that with previously reported data.

The results suggest the Iceman's second last meal consisted of cereals, plants and ibex meat, eaten as he traveled through an intermediate-altitude coniferous forest. His last meal was red deer meat and, possibly, cereals. He died in a high-altitude rocky basin.

The researchers say the findings confirm the importance of red deer meat to people of the Late Neolithic Alpine culture. They also say the results support the hypothesis that Otzi, who had an arrowhead embedded in his left shoulder, was attacked by rival big game hunters.

Another recent study also revealed another glimpse of the eating habits of our ancestors. Analysis of a 7,700-year-old female thigh bone found in England showed the woman ate almost as much meat as a wolf.

For more on ancestral diets, check this out.

http://www.healthscout.com/template...&ap=1&id=509088
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I checked out the link at the end of the above article. A great piece on Paleolithic, hunter-gatherer diets .. Our Ancestral Diet .. A Way to Wellness, by Tamarack Song. Posted at consciouschoice.com. Here's an exerpt:
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Our foraging ancestors, and all pre-agricultural peoples, consumed foods that were easy to gather and edible in their raw state. They used little more technology than sharpened sticks and stones to gather their food and processed it minimally, if at all. Yet their diets were lush with vegetables, fruits, meat, fish, and nuts. They consumed five to ten times more fiber than we do, slightly more protein, and more fat.

Their fiber came in part from fruits and non-starchy vegetables, which made up a larger portion of their diet than ours, and in part from the quality of their produce. Ours has been hybridized to increase sugar and starch content, at the expense of fiber. They consumed better quality protein as well -- more fish, leaner meat, and more nuts.

The dietary difference between us is based on the fact that our food sources changed dramatically when we became agriculturalists and herders. As our farm-fueled population expanded we increasingly supplanted animal protein with plant-source protein and nourishing plant foods with starch. We made this shift at the expense of fruits, vegetables, fish, and nuts (curiously, these are the very foods most health authorities now urge us to consume!).

The most stark change was an astronomic increase in complex carbohydrate (starch) consumption. Starch has become the backbone of our diet, whereas our ancestors consumed practically none. The only starch available to them was from tubers and the seeds of wild grasses, both of which were seasonal, small, and fibrous, making them laborious to gather and prepare. The same is true of sugars. Their virtually starch-free diet was the primary reason for their exemplary health; they suffered virtually no obesity, no diabetes, and no immune disorders (rheumatoid arthritis, tooth decay, osteoporosis, and appendicitis).

We can live our entire lives healthily without starch, but without fat we would become severely ill in a matter of weeks. We have but one hormone (insulin) to control the spike in blood sugar level caused by starch; we have four hormones to help raise blood sugar level, which traditionally remains low when fed by slowly digested fat. These factors indicate that we are designed to metabolize fat rather than starch.
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Bringing up another 2002 thread!

Impressed that only through DNA study of Otzi's intestines they were quite accurate determining what he ate 16 years ago. But that article had no mention of FAT, this one does. Who knew they had not found Otzi's stomach until now?


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5,300 Years Ago, Ötzi the Iceman Died. Now We Know His Last Meal.

It took 20 years to find his stomach. Now researchers know what was inside—in excruciating detail.
BY MAYA WEI-HAAS


ÖTZI THE ICEMAN'S stomach wasn't where it was supposed to be. The misplaced organ eluded researchers for some 20 years. But in 2009, while looking at new radiographic scans, they finally found it—inexplicably pushed up under his ribs, where the lower lungs usually sit. What's more, it was completely full.

Since 1991, when a pair of hikers found the 5,300-year-old hunter in the Ötztal Alps, researchers have been scouring Ötzi's frozen, shriveled form for clues to life in the past and his violent demise. They've studied his sheepskin coat and goat skin tights; scrutinized his tooth decay; ogled his likely frostbite-induced nub on his toe; ruminated over parasitic worm eggs in his gut; and cataloged every tattoo inked on his skin.

And now, after putting the stomach contents through a battery of tests, the researchers determined the ice mummy's final meal: dried ibex meat and fat, red deer, einkorn wheat, and traces of toxic fern. The results, published this week in the journal Current Biology, offer a stunningly detailed peek into an ancient diet and hint at possible food preparation methods.


The Lost Stomach
In the late 90s, with Ötzi's stomach nowhere to be found, researchers studied the nitrogen isotopes of the mummy's hair for dietary clues, which suggested the Iceman was a vegetarian. Later analysis of his colon contents pointed to Ötzi's omnivorous ways, revealing he ate not only cereals but also red deer and goat meat in the day before his death.

But in this latest work, scientists were trying to figure out the exact species that made up the Iceman's last meal. And to do that, they had to sample his stomach.

They located the wandering organ by examining Ötzi's gall stones, which form in the gallbladder, a small sack sitting below the liver near the stomach. By lining up the position of surrounding organs in radiographic images, the team finally found the stomach.

To sample it, however, scientists had to first defrost the mummy, which is kept at a chilly 21.2 degrees Fahrenheit to prevent microbial invasion. They then used an endoscopic tool to pull 11 blobs of brownish yellow material from his stomach and intestines.

Unlike the mushy intestinal material, the crumbly stomach stuffs were essentially freeze dried, study author Frank Maixner explains. “It has an interesting appearance, actually,” he says.

The research team first took a peek under magnification. “Already under a microscope it was clear it was an omnivore diet,” says Maixner, who is a microbiologist at the Institute for Mummies and the Iceman in Bolzano, Italy. Tiny flecks of undigested fibers of plants and meat were visible in the sample, surrounded by a cloudy haze of fat. The team then began their array of tests, which included DNA, proteins, lipids, metabolites, and more.

Picture of stomach remains
A tiny piece of undigested plant tissue researchers spotted in the Iceman's stomach contents.

Ötzi's Last Meal
Lipids and protein analysis indicate that Ötzi was eating both muscle and fat of the ibex (Capra ibex), a goat still common in the Ötztal Alps. The high-fat stomach contents would have supported energy-intensive treks. “Even though maybe ibex fat tastes horrible,” Maixner jokes.

But curiously, though DNA analysis suggests red deer (Cervus elaphus) was also part of the meal, researchers couldn't figure out what part of the creature Ötzi ate. One possibility is that he consumed its organs, like the spleen, liver, or brain. Degradation may also be an issue. “It's really hard to say,” Maixner says.

They could, however, look at meat preparation. By studying the meat's microstructures and chemistry and comparing it to modern cooked and uncooked meats, they surmised Ötzi's meat was not heated above 140 degrees Fahrenheit. It's most likely the meat was dried for preservation, Maixner says, since fresh meat spoils quickly. The presence of carbon flecks also hint the meat could have been smoked.

Ötzi also ate einkorn wheat and the toxic bracken fern. When eaten in sufficient doses, bracken has been associated with anemia in cattle, and blindness in sheep. It may also have carcinogenic effects. Yet some people still eat small quantities of the plant.

It's possible Ötzi also indulged in this greenery. “ You can go as far as he might have treated stomach ache with this fern since we knew that he suffered from some stomach pathogens,” says Maixner. But he adds, “this, for me at least, goes a little bit too far.” Another possibility is that he wrapped his food in fern, accidentally ingesting pieces along with his snack—an idea previously proposed for Ötzi's ingested moss.

Peeking at the Past Through Ötzi's Stomach

Together, the diet shows a well-prepared meal, with some fiber, protein and lots of energy-rich fat. “They had knowledge on making preparing the proper clothes, the proper hunting equipment, and this is also true for the diet,” Maixner says. “They were clearly well prepared.”

Though it's just a single sample, the results give a surprisingly detailed look into Ötzi's final hours. “I don't know if we're going to get a whole lot better than this,” says Katherine Ryan Amato, a biological anthropologist at Northwestern University who wasn't involved in the work.

Researchers have long used indirect methods to look at diet, broadly looking at transitions through time, she explains. “This actually lets us get at it on a finer scale and talk about it in more detail,” she says, “which is really exciting.”

The events surrounding Ötzi's death are still debated. His many recent wounds point to violent conflict, and some say Ötzi fled into the mountains while being hunted down. But Maixner says that the last meal points to a slightly different story: “I personally think he was prepared for this trek.”


The mix of cereals and meats—and just two completed arrows in his deer hide quiver—suggests he hadn't just eaten a fresh kill. Instead, in the hours before his death, Ötzi likely consumed the contents of what Maixner calls “a well-prepared doggy bag.”



Note, bolding mine at new info about meat and fat.

Nat Geo: https://www.nationalgeographic.com/...-diet-meat-fat/

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Just a few of my thoughts:
  • Fruits and vegetables and cereals would only have been seasonal items for Mr. Iceman.
  • The fruits and vegetables and cereals available would have been unrecognizable to modern eyes.
  • The low caloric density of these prehistoric plant foods would have made them almost a useless waste of time to gather and eat.
  • Mr. Iceman's time was much better spent hunting calorically dense big game.
  • Mr. Iceman probably threw away all but the choicest pieces of meat, prizing the fat and organ meats the most, and did not share in the modern dietician's obsession with leanmeats.
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One thing about 5300 years ago, it was only 5300 years ago. Was there micro-farming of einkorn wheat in the area? Did Otzi's people trade for the wheat? Or were they pure hunter-gatherers, and it just happened to grow in the area?

It wouldn't be surprising for pre-agricultural peoples to be eating wheat, though. Obviously somebody at some time had to have considered it food, otherwise, why the motive to farm it, when the time came?

At any rate, now that I look at it, the original article places Otzi in the neolithic period, so he wasn't pre-agriculture. So a Rosanna Danna Danna "nevermind" is in order. Prehistoric isn't the same as paleo... in fact the modern paleo movement as lead by Loren Cordain is based on historical record of modern hunter-gatherer diets, not the study of old bones.
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As I was reading the list of his stomach contents, I was frankly surprised that they didn't completely ignore his wounds, and claim that he was actually killed by his high fat diet and too much protein, with insufficient hearthealthywholegrains and veggies.

Don't end up like Otzi - eat your grains and veggies!
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As I was reading the list of his stomach contents, I was frankly surprised that they didn't completely ignore his wounds, and claim that he was actually killed by his high fat diet and too much protein, with insufficient hearthealthywholegrains and veggies.

Don't end up like Otzi - eat your grains and veggies!


I almost spat out my green tea with coconut oil!
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They already made that claim before!

When searching for Ötzi on this forum, the only other thread that came up was from 2014 in the Health sub-forum titled:

Ötzi the Iceman predisposed to heart disease


http://forum.lowcarber.org/showthread.php?t=461926
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This article seems to stress the fat content of the ice man's diet:

https://www.upi.com/Science_News/20...ls&utm_medium=4
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The stories on Otzei are varied and all interesting. See a google search of utube for many stories elaborating the possible senerios of his last days.
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The stories on Otzei are varied and all interesting. See a google search of utube for many stories elaborating the possible senerios of his last days.

I tire of the made-up stories by so called experts who know nothing more than we do.

What do we know?

1.) There is an iceman that was thawed. When he lived? Unknown. (Lots of guessing but...unknown.)

2.) There was a DNA analysis done of his stomach contents. In the stomach were the following: xxx and xx and xx etc.


That's it. All the rest is guessing. Pure unadulterated guessing and one guess is as good as another.

We tend to look to scientists as those with more insight but the truth is, they just make things sound more "scientific" than us regular folks.
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Imagination is required to create a hypothesis.
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What would cereal have been like 5000 years ago? Bet my kids wouldn't have eaten it!! They wouldn't eat anything that didn't change the milk to a different color/flavor. LOL
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Imagination is required to create a hypothesis.

I'm cool with hypothesis (something you verify via repeated testing) but guessing I don't put much stock into.

This is guessing pure and simple.

I could have just as easily made up a contradictory story using the same data and have it be just as valid/invalid as any scientist.

I've been around long enough (58 years) to have seen lots of guessing in the guise of "facts" get overturned several times, especially in the realm of ancient history.
I remember distinctly watching films of Dr. Louis and Mary Leakey's finds at Oldavi Gorge, explaining the details of these so-called cavemen's lives. Flash forward 30 years later and several of these finds turned out to be hoaxes and of the legit ones, the "story" got modified so much that it doesn't even resemble the original "facts' that were taught.

So yeah...I don't put much stock in this sort of guessing.
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I'm “kinder” interested in the toxic fern they found in Mr Iceman's stomach.
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