Debbie, I do know what you mean, but just as we had to weigh and measure when we first began the LC WOE, we have to weigh and measure now, but just for now. I no longer need to weigh my egg yolks - I know that three of them weigh 1.5 ounces and are 6g protein. In just a month I've also developed an eagle eye for how much of a pork chop is really 3 ounces, and that's about half the size I thought it was when I began.


Then I'll guess that OD will truly suit you. I don't know how much faster you'll lose scale weight, but I can tell you the stored body fat loss will be amazing.


Two notes: Yes, you will have to stop adding the whey - but more importantly - you'll need to let yourself eat the entire batch in one go or one day instead of over time. Your recipe is a great 'single' treat.


Some day someone is going to come up with some reason why women's hormones matter as much in weight loss as carbs. Until then, I can only watch my tall skinny son eat an entire chicken or two pounds of sausage for dinner - and drool.


From your lips to the Mods ears.


A common misperception (I made the same mistake myself) is that you get to 'choose' your goal weight. You don't. It's based on your 'due' weight - which is the slim weight those charts say you should weigh. It's interesting that my 'due' weight exactly matches Barry Groves' formula for protein: 1g for each kilo of your LEAN body mass, not what you actually weigh. My lean mass happens to be what the charts say I should weigh: 127 pounds. I don't necessarily want to weigh that, but I'm following the plan as if I do and will stop and go into maintenance as soon as I get to the 140 I'd like to weigh.

Furthermore, the OD treats fat and carb amounts (for the first month) differently for the 'obese' as he does for those who want to follow the plan for optimal health. Protein/fat ratios are closer to 1: 1.5. But if you give me your age, weight in kilos and height in centimeters, I'll plug the numbers in and get you the beginning stats.


Much as I respect the Eades, they simply have not tackled the issue of excess protein as a reason for some people's stall - and have insisted that as you approach goal weight you must lower calories. I believe this is not only wrong, it's 180 degrees wrong from the fact that if there is no biological reason to count calories on LC when you are 100 pounds overweight, there is still no biological reason to count calories on LC when you are 10 pounds overweight. Hopefully at some point, and despite having built their careers on protein, they will recognize and admit this.


The more fat is saturated, the better. The carbs aren't many, but Dr. K would argue to stay away as much as possible from fructose, and that starch/glucose carbs are actually (in the presence of enough fat and few proteins) good for us. See my other posts in this regard.

Lisa

Honestly? Those days are probably over, assuming that if you lose all that weight, you won't want to put it back on again. Ditto for reaching goal weight and thinking you can eat loads of carbs again. The good news is that you'll always be able to eat a moderate amount of protein, and a ton of fat without ever gaining back an ounce.


If you go to www.nutritiondata.com and plug in pork belly, raw (fattier than bacon) you'll get the 'per oz' numbers. Assuming you eat all the fat drippings as well as the 'meat' - and of course assuming that you weigh the raw jowl before cooking and eating - you'll know exactly how much protein/fat you've consumed.

Lisa

Lisa,
Thanks for all the research and posting you've been doing about this! You're a jewel!

In your research of Dr. K's plan, what is the general thought regarding alcohol? Abstinence or moderation as a general rule? (I'm not talking large amounts - just a glass or two a week.)

Karen, I hope by now you've gotten lots of food options from this thread. If you need more, let me know.


Nor are you, according to Dr. K, helping your diabetes much. Upping your fat/calories a lot, while eating the right amount of low carb (just enough to keep you out of ketosis) and probably cutting your protein consumption in half will truly help you become more insulin sensitive. And yes, your post indicates that it's the high protein, low fat/calories that have you stalled exactly where you are.


Really? With a career built on Protein Power?


Been there, done that. Will no doubt visit again.


Nope. Nor will you. Aside from the fact that you're eating about a third of the fat you need, and twice the amount of protein -- your body thinks you're living on a desert island and starving. Since it cares far more about survival than your mirror, it will continue to produce more insulin than you need so it can store more of what you do eat as fat. This is not a good cycle to be in. Were you able to download the Calculus Victus onto your computer so you can see what nutrient proportions will work for you?

Lisa

Geekette to the rescue!

Although it sounds like you need to do a thorough cleaning and re-compress of your hard drive, that can wait for another day.

1: Get thee to your nearest computer store and spend less than ten bucks on a thumb (flash) drive. For that price these days you should get about half a gigabyte.

2: Stick the flash drive into any USB port on your laptop. Move a ton of data from the laptop to the drive. Think of this as an extra backup.

3: Install calulator program. Plug in your numbers. Write them down.

4: Uninstall program. Put back in any data or programs you moved to the flash drive.

Mission Accomplished.

Lisa

I'm not really sure about that. Here's a direct quote:

"In a mixed diet, a deficiency of an amino acid in one protein is made up by its abundance in another; such proteins are described as complementary; eg., the protein of wheat and beans combined provides a satisfactory amino acid intake. Under such circumstances, a greater total amount of protein must he consumed to satisfy requirements."

You might interpret that to read that in a 'mixed diet' (eating fruit/veg as well as pork and eggs and other 'high quality' protein) you can subtract the fruit/veg numbers from your protein totals - but the complementary aspect gives me pause. Since I don't want to get down to counting amino acids in my food, I'd rather just count everything and rely instead on the +/- 10% the diet allows -- if I really feel I need it, and if that extra amount doesn't derail the scale weight loss.


No, he states that athletes can eat up to 1.2g of protein per kilo of due weight if desired. I do weight training and am building muscle, but I don't consider myself an athlete. And it seems quite clear that biologically, my muscle is now quite happily getting all the extra sustenance it needs from my upped fat consumption, and stored body fat. I'm eating a fraction of the protein I did before, but still working out hard and still building muscle. Once I lose all my stored body weight it might be different, but I'll cross that bridge once I (happily) come to it.

Lisa

Lauren - eat more fat! And eat more low protein veg with lots of fat on or in it. This should definitely help the hunger.[/QUOTE]

Lisa

Sorry to be repetitive, but are the carbs being counted net (minus fiber) or total.
Thank you
Kristen

Why?


Big is the right word, since many 'bodybuilders' are also technically obese. In any event, I'm not sure it adds much to a discussion to say that some people are the exception to the rule. Lots of folks can eat carbs till the cows come home and never gain an ounce of fat. Those people aren't on this forum. The people who are here, however, cannot eat like those exceptions.


Not one post in this thread has said or even suggested that.


I do Slow Burn weight training (like many of the women on this forum) and, like them, am adding muscle mass weekly.

Lisa

Kristen - that's net carbs. Yay!

Lisa

I will try that. I did get close to my upper limit yesterday (115-159g Fat) and I ate 153g. Are you going higher than that and still losing?

I think I need to eat more fat earlier in the day. I noticed my hunger was gone in the evening but I was hungry during the day.

Dr. Kwasniewski doesn't subtract fiber, does he?

Debbie - none here either. Yes, you have programs on your C drive, and you can leave them there. But you've got MASSES of data (in WORD, for instance, that would be .docs and in Excel that would be spreadsheets) that can easily be moved anywhere you like, temporarily or even permanently if you want. The calculator is a tiny program. Once you move a few data files you can install it, get your numbers, and uninstall again. No regedit required.

Lisa

He does. And why not - our bodies can neither absorb it, or get an insulin response from it.

Lisa

I've never even gotten past the middle number.


I eat a boatload of fat with as little protein as possible for breakfast - I'm lucky if I'm hungry for lunch. And sometimes I'm not.

Lisa