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Old Thu, Aug-16-18, 18:13
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Eating a moderate amount of carbohydrates best for healthy lifespan, say researchers


Sarah Boseley Health editor
Fri 17 Aug 2018 08.30 AEST Last modified on Fri 17 Aug 2018 08.55 AEST

Ditching the carbs has become a popular weight-loss strategy.
Eating either a low-carb diet or a high-carb diet raises the risk of an early death, according to a major new study which will dismay the many people who have ditched the likes of bread, rice and potatoes for weight loss or health reasons.

Researchers who pooled the results of eight large studies have found that eating a moderate amount of carbohydrates is best for a healthy lifespan. Less than 40% or more than 70% of calories from carbohydrates carried a higher risk of mortality.

Not all low-carb diets are equal, however. People who ate a lot of meat and fats instead of carbohydrates, such as lamb, chicken, steak, butter and cheese, had a higher mortality risk than those who got their protein and fats from plant-based foods such as avocados, legumes and nuts. Popular weight loss diets such as Atkins and Dukan include a substantial amount of meat-based foods.

Carbohydrates in your diet

Low carb diets have become a trend. Cutting the carbs can lead to weight loss for a few weeks, but while there are bad carbs we don’t need, such as sugary drinks and sweets, there are also good “starchy” carbs that we do, because they are high in fibre and vitamins and minerals and give us a slow and steady release of energy throughout the day. These include wholewheat pasta and flour, vegetables with their skins on, and beans and lentils.

Low carb diet

Low carb diets have become very popular for weight loss, but you have to make up for the loss of filling carbs with extra protein and fats. Low carb diets tend to advocate animal proteins and fats, like steak and cheese. While they don’t include sugary treats and soft drinks, they are also usually light on vegetables and fibre. Popular low carb diets include: Atkins, Paleo, South Beach, Dukan and ketogenic.

High carb diet

Not a weight loss diet, clearly, but a way of life. The general diet of people in Asian countries, particularly those with low incomes, tends to be high in carbs because of the amount of white rice that is eaten. Those in more affluent western countries who eat a lot of carbs are likely to be overdoing the sugary drinks and snacks.

Moderate carb diet

Most people in the western world get around half their calories from carbohydrates, which is how it should be, say nutritionists. That’s 50-55% of your energy from carbs. The issue, however, is over which carbs these are. The famously healthy Mediterranean diet, for example, contains lots of fibre-rich whole grains and beans. A diet in which the carbs come from biscuits and soft drinks and has little in the way of fruit and veg is not good, however moderate the carbohydrate intake is.


“Low-carb diets that replace carbohydrates with protein or fat are gaining widespread popularity as a health and weight loss strategy,” said Dr Sara Seidelmann, a clinical and research fellow in cardiovascular medicine from Brigham and Women’s Hospital in Boston, who led the research published in the Lancet public health journal.

“However, our data suggests that animal-based low-carbohydrate diets, which are prevalent in North America and Europe, might be associated with shorter overall life span and should be discouraged. Instead, if one chooses to follow a low-carbohydrate diet, then exchanging carbohydrates for more plant-based fats and proteins might actually promote healthy ageing in the long term.”

Seidelmann, who is both a cardiologist and a nutritionist, told the Guardian the team had published a substantial body of work “to thoroughly answer a question and not simply provide just one piece of the picture”.

“Nutrition is high up on everybody’s mind but there is such confusion about what we should eat. One day, a study is coming out telling us high carb is better, another day a study is telling us low carb is better.”

Trials to compare low-carb and high-carb diets directly are not possible, because they have to be carried out over many years and people find it hard to stick to a diet over any length of time. Instead, her team carried out observational research with more than 15,400 people, aged 45 to 64, from diverse socio-economic backgrounds from four US communities who were enrolled in the atherosclerosis risk in communities study. Those people filled out questionnaires on their eating patterns on two occasions, six years apart. Their health was followed up for 25 years, allowing for factors that might alter the results, such as smoking, income and diabetes.

These results were pooled with seven other observational studies carried out across the world, involving a total of more than 430,000 people.

They found that 50-year-olds eating a moderate carb diet, with half their energy coming from carbohydrates, had a further life expectancy of 33 years, which was four years longer than those on low-carb diets and one year longer than those who ate a high-carb diet.

The authors said they could not prove cause and effect, because of the nature of the studies. However, they said people who embraced western-type diets that heavily restricted carbohydrates often ate fewer vegetables, fruit, and grains and more animal proteins and fats. Some of those animal products have been implicated in stimulating inflammatory pathways, biological ageing and oxidative stress, and could be a contributing factor to the increased risk of mortality.

High-carb diets are common in Asian and poorer nations, they said, where people eat a lot of refined carbohydrates such as white rice. Those also contribute to a chronically high glycaemic load and worse metabolic outcomes.

“These findings bring together several strands that have been controversial. Too much and too little carbohydrate can be harmful but what counts most is the type of fat, protein, and carbohydrate,”said Walter Willett, a professor of epidemiology and nutrition at Harvard T H Chan School of Public Health and the co-author of the study.

Low-carb diets are popular for weight loss because they work quite well in the short term, said Seidelmann, and they are usually meat-based. The study was not set up in a way that would make it possible to compare moderate carb with low-carb plant-based diets but, said Seidelmann, “the more plant-based [the diet was], the lower the mortality”.

“No aspect of nutrition is so hotly contended on social media than the carb versus fat debate, despite the long term evidence on health benefits firmly supporting the higher carb argument," said Catherine Collins, an NHS dietitian.

The "cult of low carb high fat eating" was based on a lifestyle choice and the flimsiest of evidence, she said. Its devotees were "at odds with advice from WHO and government health bodies globally – including the UK’s Public Health England – that recommend a carb intake to provide around half our daily calorie needs".

She added that it the findings raise questions about the current hyping of low-carb diets for people with diabetes. "The feting and promotion of GPs promoting often bizarre low carb diets to manage diabetes has gained much media traction," she said. "If nothing else, this study provides some redress to this one-sided debate, and adds caution to such practice for long term management.”

In a commentary in the journal, Dr Andrew Mente and Dr Salim Yusuf, from McMaster University in Canada, said it was not possible to rule out completely all the factors that might skew the results, but that the findings were that logical and moderate carbohydrate consumption was likely to be better for people than low or high-carb diets.

“Essential nutrients should be consumed above a minimal level to avoid deficiency and below a maximal level to avoid toxicity. This approach maintains physiological processes and health (ie, a so-called sweet spot). Although carbohydrates are technically not an essential nutrient (unlike protein and fats), a certain amount is probably required to meet short-term energy demands during physical activity and to maintain fat and protein intakes within their respective sweet spots,” they wrote.



https://www.theguardian.com/lifeand...ath-study-finds

The Lancet study they're discussing


Observational studies based on 2 dietary questionnaires 6 years apart.
Stories like this must make the likes of Gary Taubes want to pull his hair out.
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Old Thu, Aug-16-18, 18:59
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As I read thru the article, questions filled my mind. More of an opinion peice than hard data..... hence the questions. Questions that have no answers because the data is not there.

And grateful for the commentary, letting me off the hook for thinking so poorly of such nonsense.
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OMG You mean I'm going to die???
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Unfortunately, headlines such as this are all over the British media this morning :

Low-carb diets could shorten life, study suggests

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-45195474


Low-carb, high-fat diets could knock years off lifespan, 25-year study suggests

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/science...-25-year-study/
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Unfortunately, headlines such as this are all over the British media this morning :

Low-carb diets could shorten life, study suggests

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-45195474


Low-carb, high-fat diets could knock years off lifespan, 25-year study suggests

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/science...-25-year-study/


Good, more steak and coconut cream for me.
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Old Fri, Aug-17-18, 01:55
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Both low and high-carb diets can raise risk of early death, study finds

The "cult of low carb high fat eating" was based on a lifestyle choice and the flimsiest of evidence, she said. Its devotees were "at odds with advice from WHO and government health bodies globally – including the UK’s Public Health England – that recommend a carb intake to provide around half our daily calorie needs".

She added that it the findings raise questions about the current hyping of low-carb diets for people with diabetes. "The feting and promotion of GPs promoting often bizarre low carb diets to manage diabetes has gained much media traction," she said. "If nothing else, this study provides some redress to this one-sided debate, and adds caution to such practice for long term management.”


https://www.theguardian.com/lifeand...ath-study-finds


Unfortunately, it was only a matter of time before the backlash began against the use of a low carb diet to manage diabetes in the UK
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Old Fri, Aug-17-18, 07:47
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Could a low-carb diet shorten your life?

Not according to Dr. Andreas Eenfeldt

https://www.dietdoctor.com/all-over...ld-shorten-life

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Most importantly, when looking beyond these weak statistical studies to higher-quality intervention trials (you know, where people actually try a low-carb diet), low-carb diets regularly result in more weight loss and improved health markers compared to other diets (list of studies and findings). And – important to at least one person – that’s what happened for me as well.
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I think if I worsened my diabetes by eating more carbs, my life would be significantly shorter. Or at least more painful.

When I saw this article in the news, I knew it would be here with real-life commentary.
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Old Fri, Aug-17-18, 08:42
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Dr Aseem Malhotra (Consultant Cardiologist) weighs in too ...


Low-carb or high carb diet: What I want you to know about the ‘healthiest diet’, as an NHS Doctor

Read more at: https://inews.co.uk/opinion/comment...est-nhs-doctor/
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Old Fri, Aug-17-18, 19:53
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Who's more likely to choose a low carb diet? A perfectly healthy person with no metabolic problems? No, someone with illness or weight to lose. Someone who isn't healthy and is trying to fix it through better diet. Could that ill person still experience a shortened lifespan despite better diet? Maybe. And I attribute any apparent advantage of vegetarian-type proteins, fats, etc. to healthy user bias. Unless you're in Asia or someplace doing it for your religion, there's going to be a perception of vegetarian as a healthy choice which will attract concerned people who do lots of other things for their health.
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Catherine Collins, an NHS dietitian said The "cult of low carb high fat eating" was based on a lifestyle choice and the flimsiest of evidence.
While the low-fat diet was evidence based on sound science? Are observational studies more telling than those using the scientific method?
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A short article about the huge holes in the basic collection of data, from the appropriately named Clueless Doctors blog by Dr Angela Stanton.

https://cluelessdoctors.com/2018/08...e-can-harm-you/
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Isn't Dr. Bernstein in his 80's? Doesn't seem to have shortened his life.
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Now I don't know which way to go. My wife and I are losing weight on a low carb diet. We eat few carbs, a lot of meat and eggs, and some vegetables. We stay away from sweets unless it is fruit. I guess I will check out the healthy Mediterranean diet and see what is involved there.
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Old Sun, Aug-19-18, 06:55
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Dr. Atkins New Diet Revolution was PACKED PACKED PACKED with data and studies. PACKED. There has been plenty of reliable information via studies to verify low carb-high fat . And more keeps piling up.

Im stunned that this is disputed.

DANDR is only diet that works for me. Dr Atkins steered me right, not wrong.
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