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Old Tue, Aug-14-18, 09:38
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Use net carbs if you want more fiber in your diet.

Use total carbs if you want less fiber in your diet.

That's a good way to think about it Billy!

I use NetCarbs myself - My suggestion is to PICK ONE WAY and go with it as you will likely be adjusting the number up or down as you go to find your way.
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s93uv3h quoted Jacob Wilson referencing the low glycemic index treatment for epilepsy as allowing a more liberal carb intake due to fiber. Most of what I've read still suggests that a more ketogenic ratio diet is more reliable.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi...67.2008.01765.x

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Optimal clinical management of children receiving the ketogenic diet: Recommendations of the International Ketogenic Diet Study Group


Pfeifer is listed as one of the authors here.

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The LGIT was developed following the observation that children on the classic KD have stable blood glucose levels and the hypothesis that this may relate at least in part to the mechanism of the KD (Pfeifer & Thiele, 2005). The LGIT allows liberalization of total daily carbohydrate intake to approximately 40–60 g/day, but regulates the type of carbohydrate, favoring those that produce relatively small changes in blood glucose (those with low glycemic indicies <50).

Small, uncontrolled reports suggest that both modified diets show efficacy rates similar to the classic KD. These diets may also be of value for adolescents and adults not typically offered the traditional KD. In fact, 11 (42%) of the consensus group believed these diets should be used primarily when treating adolescents. Larger, randomized studies are needed to better understand the efficacy and tolerability of these diets, how they compare to the classic KD, and potential use in adults.


I'm not epileptic, but I do know that a ten percent carbohydrate diet, even with most of the carbs coming from the much-loved green leafy vegetables and other fibrous sources, leaves me short of much of the advantages I get from a ketogenic diet. There are a few sources, like flax and some other very fibrous seeds. But that's not what they're talking about generally with the LGIT diet, the cut off point is a glycemic index of 50. Kidney beans have a GI of 24, a lot of people might do fine with 40-60 grams of that stuff in their diet. I'd do better than I used to do on the pizza and ramen noodle diet, not as well as I'm doing now.
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Old Tue, Aug-14-18, 10:19
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Use net carbs if you want more fiber in your diet.

Use total carbs if you want less fiber in your diet.

I like this approach.
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