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What say you?

I think it's good to include some vegetables in the diet to balance the acidity of meat and other animal products. There's also something to be said for the phytochemicals they contain. However, I don't think they need to be consumed in large amounts, particularly on a low-carbohydrate diet. I eat a small portion of nonstarchy vegetables at most meals.

That being said, some people tolerate plant matter better than others. I love Amber's work at ketotic.org and empire.ca. I realize that she only consumes meat and seems healthy. But as a dietitian, it's hard for me to wrap my head around eating no vegetables whatsoever. And although it's technically a fruit, avocados are one of my mainstays, and I honestly can't imagine never eating them again.

I'm currently rereading one of my favorite novels, Caleb Carr's The Alienist. In the book, which takes place in 1896 New York, the main characters go to Delmonico's, one of the first fine dining establishments in the U.S.. Except for the booze and dessert (deep fried pears) the entire multi-course meal consists of meat. In fact, the only vegetables that anyone eats in the book are potatoes.

I like most vegetables. If I want some, I'll eat them, but I don't think the lack of them on a regular basis affects my health.

I like Sisson, I really do, but I think this is a hedge-betting of the highest order.

I have that book, now I want to dig it out and read it

I think in cultures where they don't eat many veggies, they eat a whole lot of organ meats and marrow. I happen to like veggies so I eat them. I'm not sure there's really an definitive answer as to whether we must eat them, or what we should be eating if we don't eat them. But I am pretty sure just eating muscle meat isn't going to cover all your bases.

Is it impossible to be well nourished (micronutrient-wise) without vegetables? I don't think so. Is it easier? It seems to be, judging from fitday.

I've never managed to eat enough spinach to knock me out of ketosis. I don't see any obvious dangers, and there's possible benefits, so we're on good terms.

I suspect that this is one of those "your mileage may vary" type of things. I used to eat a ton of veggies, but mostly of the starchy variety. Now on most days I eat a big green salad at one meal, and fairly often another low-carb veggie like broccoli at another meal. I don't know if I "need" them, but I feel out of sorts if I miss eating a salad for more than a day or two.

I'm sure our Paleo ancestors had long stretches of not eating any vegetables at all. And, of course, there's always the example of the Inuit.

I've read the science and understood a long time ago that humans don't technically "need" plant foods .. as long as our animal-based diet is varied and includes plenty of fat, some offal/organ meats (not just muscle tissue), and is sourced from a variety of species -- land animals, fish and fowl .. and eggs.

However, just because we don't "need" plant foods doesn't mean we can't or shouldn't enjoy them . I mean, we don't have a biological need for garlic, for herbs & spices, for good Dijon mustard, robust dark-roast coffee or a delicate green tea. But my oh my life would hardly be worth living without them.

IMO, of course .

But any time we say we can't do well soley on muscle meats, The Bear comes to mind. If I remember right, he very rarely ate organ meats, over a period of decades. And we now have other folks that have eaten an overwhelmingly muscle meat diet, approaching a decade, some for longer. Are they outliers? I dunno

The Bear and others were eating RIBEYE!, which has a ton of fat. Also the Bear ate dairy and you're right, I never read anything he wrote that mentioned organ meats.

Lots of vegans do pretty well for decades too.

I firmly believe that genetics determine how long you live regardless of diet. I also believe that if one does well eating a particular way, go for it. Just like religion, there is No One Way when it comes to eating.

Eggactly, Doreen!

True; I've become firmly convinced no one woe is right for everyone.