Here's an item with pork dewlap in it

Seasoned Pork Lard With Pork Added 450g

Oh wow, lots of goodies on this site. headcheese, cured chopped pork (with pork skin), etc.

Here is an interesting account of pork dewlap.

http://www.slashfood.com/tag/pork+dewlap/

Regarding "wrong nutrition," JK talks about 3 different types of diets:

Pasture = high carb, low fat, adequate protein (e.g., traditional Japanese diet)

Piggish = lots of carbs, lots of fat, probably too much protein; basically eating whatever looks good (e.g., standard contemporary Western diet)

Optimal = high fat, low carb, adequate protein

While pasture isn't great, piggish is supposed to be a lot worse, because you're "mixing the two fuels." When people are in this condition, their bodies are so messed up that some foods that would be good for an optimal eater, could actually be dangerous for them.

According to JK, if you're not willing to go LC, you'd be better off going to the other extreme, i.e. over 60% carbohydrate. That way, your body will at least know what to do with the fuel it's given. "Taking the middle ground" is considered the worst approach.

Well there's the isocaloric diet (33/33/33) or the Zone diet (40/30/30) with almost as many carbs as fats, but honestly I know people on these diets that are vibrantly healthy and have perfect blood and lipid profiles. I think the problem is when you mix a lot of fat with a lot of sugar, (and a lot of everythig means also a lot of calories) which is what the contemporary western diet is doing.

OK, so you're not actually following the Dr. K fat ratio then, eh? Hey, whatever works! But in the meantime I'm going to *try* to keep within the recommended ratios, as suggested here earlier, before I start thinking about things like tweaks. I just wish I weren't so darn hungry all the time! Being hungry all the time is one of those things I associate with unsustainable low-fat diets.

Although in the case of low-fat I felt hungry and *rotten*. On this diet I feel hungry all the time, but also healthy. I guess there *is* something to the idea that protein satisfies hunger (as the Eades say). When I was eating double or better the amount of protein I could drop as low as 1200 calories and not feel hungry a bit. Here on the Optimal plan my calories have been over 2000 every day and the hunger never goes away!

Hmm, very interesting, and seems quite contrary to the Calculus Victus software. I may just have to install that sucker after all. Do we know who actually created the Calculus Victus software?



Yum, my brother-in-law actually brought me some imported Danish Havarti cheese when he came over for Easter dinner at my house, said he'd tried to get something he thought I would like. Quite a nice choice indeed!

When you are ready to tweak, you could try eating only fat after you have reached your other ratios if you are still hungry.

My trick is to eat whipped cream (with splenda) until I'm not hungry anymore. It just so happens that I never had to eat more fat than the maximum ratio from Dr K to satisfy my hunger. So I guess his ratios works for me. But I don't care about the fat ratio, I just eat fat until I'm ok.

By the way, if you lose weight by being hungry. You are forcing your body down and, like with any other intake restrictive diets, you will probably gain the weight back when you get tired of being hungry all the time. In your place, I would try right away to eat pure fat when hungry and see if you still lose weight. This would be real permanent weight loss.

Just my 2 cents.

Patrick

Okay, I still don't like the hunger thing, but I am down three pounds so far this week (started Saturday) and that even includes Easter where I stayed strictly LC, sugar-free and grain-free, but blew out my protein numbers. But after 4 weeks of the scale not moving it *is* nice to see a downward trend again!

okay, i just spent about 30 minutes obsessing over what i'm going to eat today (on nutritiondata.com tracking) to meet these damn ratios. i said i wasn't joining in this diet, but after reading all of this stuff i kinda can't help lowering my protein and upping the fats! i'm still hovering at the same weight............wish me luck.

PS valtor, i am gradually reading through the posts about GCBC on caloriecount, from that link you posted... i've used that site before and it drove me nuts how it was all pro-low cal!

Oh cool! Great. Wonder if eating pig chin/wattles will get rid of my own LOL

Good luck! I think you're smart to use a tracking software. I've been using fitday to hit the percentages. No way could I do this in my head.

Yep, I figured it was the place where people would fight Gary Taubes' hypothesis tooth and nails I don't like an easy win. I was actually able to convince a lot of people if I trust the personal messages I got.

It's not that hard. I mean, all the might of true science *is* behind me on this. So as you can see on the caloriecount thread, anyone willing to really argument properly, or at least watch the video presentation, can't shake the pure logic and science of the ΔE hypothesis. It's just a question of arrow of causality.

And by the way, thank you again Lisa for forcing me to look deeper into the science and to read GCBC a while back.

Patrick

Well, I've come to the conclusion, like I always do, that the high fat diet isn't for me. I have gained a lot of fat in my belly. I was going to give it two weeks but I'm very alarmed at how quickly I've put fat on.

It might just be the dairy fat. I'll have to sit down and see if there's anyway I can do this diet without the dairy. Or just see if there's anyway I can keep the protein down a bit, maybe increase veggies a whole lot.

At least I gave it an honest try and logged and recorded everything so I won't have any doubts about it next time around.

I'm rather envious of those of you this works for.

So... you whip up some whipping cream, and add Splenda? About how much of this concoction do you devour at one setting? A cup? 2 cups? Or...?

What about on days when you have a larger appetite, due to rigorous exercise the previous day?

Would you change the quantity of protein, upping it, if the muscles are sore & achy?

OR, would you have the extra whipped cream?

Say, I wonder how that would taste, drizzled with a tiny bit of dark chocolate syrup and placed in the freezer for a while? Hmmm...

Anyway, do you believe that it would be better to eat servings of the cream/splenda, as opposed to protein/carb -- when the appetite is obviously due to cravings after exercise?

That's a shame Nancy

Have you tried reducing the carbs to induction levels while keeping the protein low and the fat high ?

Patrick