My question was - were your ketones low, because of an influx of glucose from your liver. Not that you were measuring glucose - I get that you are not.

As I understand it, if glucose goes high for a bit, ketones go low, and vice versa.

Seejay, do you have a source for that statement about glucose and ketones? I've been doing a Fat Fast (about 1200 calories, fat/carbs/protein = 82%/5%/12%) the last five days and losing weight, but I'm puzzled by the fact that my morning fasting BG has gone up. Everyone else seems to have their FBG go down on a high fat, low carb diet, why the heck would mine start averaging 10 points higher than usual?

Mine's gone up.

My ketones are in the lower range in the AM as I have shown the last two days. Taken mid-day, still fasting, they are much higher, yesterday 1.8 and today 1.1

My insulin is fine, in the 80s and 90s which is normal, not reacting to my dairy. I will be interested to see what happens with your experiment.

Look at how much protein you are eating and when. Do you have a large amount in the evening? Do you chk FG after meals to see if it is elevated? You can gauge from that, too.

Some very good information on this http://paleohacks.com/questions/108...s#axzz22KaX77fu

Also read this thread, all very interesting, but I get the idea that for some it can take time....

http://www.lowcarbfriends.com/bbs/d...lood-sugar.html

Peter from Hylperlipid talks about this.

Physiological insulin resistance: Clarification of FBG

http://high-fat-nutrition.blogspot....on%20of%2 0FBG



It's also in "Good Calories, Bad Calories" in the section about Le Magnin and his obesity research.

Rosedale's recommendations for protein are a lot lower than Phinney's. His were .5 to 1.0 per kg.

Thanks Seejay and Aradasky for those links. I'm still working my way through them but so far it's very interesting. I'm guessing mine is a case of PhIR. I'm only going to be doing this very, very low carb, very high fat thing for a few more days, so it will be interesting to see what my FBG does when I go back to more 'normal' low carb eating. Oh, and I'm obviously not taking in too much protein - I'm only averaging 34g/day, much less than I usually eat.

I am now even more interested in finding out what my A1c levels are. My stupid HMO doc won't do that test for me, despite the fact that my FBG is usually about 110 and I'm an obese older woman who is obviously at risk of developing Type II diabetes. Hell, if I had been eating the SAD the last few years I'd probably be on insulin by now. I like the guy but it may be time to change doctors.

No, Seejay, yesterday and today my fasting glucose was in the normal range when I was low on ketones. Although the first few days, it was high.

I think this will be very interesting. I think it's great that you are experimenting like this and posting your results, Aradasky. Thank you for your time and effort to do this for us !

DAY 18 August 2, 2012

XXXXX RATED for low carbers
Weight 150.4 (I am trying high carb for Nutritional Ketosis and hope I get a leptin reset)
I started my high carb day this morning, I did not take any blood tests. I will just before lunch when I have decided to. I am going to list my food but not strictly count calories or carbs. I will keep a carb count going in my app and am going to try to get to 250 – 300 carbs with fruit, chocolate and a cookie.

1 coconut flour blueberry (double berries!oh my gosh!!!) muffin C 7g (3 net) then
banana, brussel sprouts, grapes, two pcs flat bread w/peanut butter (At this point, it is noon here and I am SOOOO full !! at 95 carbs (81 net carbs).

I tested glucose-111 which is normal for everything I have been eating and Ketones, at this time of day it has been over 1 and even close to 2 and it was .3, showing I am not in NK.

I added a peach, brusselsprouts, 1/2 cob of incredibly sweet corn, hamburger bun,almonds, two cookies and some chocolate. Oh my. I can't say exactly, but I am pretty sure I am over 200 carbs and heaven only knows the calories... That is all. I cannot force anything more in.....


I do not feel any different, tired, but after getting dinner organized and pretty much ready for all of us,that is to be expected. We had the BEST hamburgers and corn.


So now we see what happens tomorrow.

Walmart sells a Reli-On test your A1c at home kit you mail in to get your results. At last check I think it was only about nine dollars.

Arrgghhh!!! Don't do it!!

Actually this makes me feel more ok about posting pictures of the off-the-scale carb-fest my co-workers staged in the office today. I had to have the willpower dialed way up all day. Photos in my journal definitely XXX for low carbers...